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imo you should not promote signal, proton, or tuta for various reasons including the ones i mention in those three links.
Hey, Arthur— thanks for dropping these links. Jay and I will look at these and consider your thought process, and might reach out to follow up, if that's okay! If I may ask, what do you prefer for email and RTC?
-M
For chat, something with e2ee and without phone numbers or centralized metadata. SimpleX, Matrix, XMPP, etc - each have their own problems, but at least they aren't centralizing everyone's metadata with a CIA contractor like Jeff Bezos like Signal is.
For email, I'd recommend finding small-to-medium-sized operators who seem both honest and competent. Anyone offering snakeoil privacy features such as browser-based e2ee is failing in at least one of those two categories.
We're considering moving up our timeline on a SimpleX and Matrix chat as we've received interest from others about that, too. Keep an eye on our website or show notes as we'll update those when new chat channels open up.
As for email, are there specific providers you recommend we look at?
-M
It's difficult enough for getting people to switch from whatsapp to signal.
I don't know how successful i'd be to get people to switch to simplex.
Is there a particular reason that you don't recommend signal?
What alternatives would you recommend?
Matrix is open source, should give that a try,
it could be a bit more user friendly tho
The fact that Matrix was developed in Israel instantly kills it for me.
Pretty sure it was developed in germany
No Matrix was developed by Amdocs, an Israeli company. It has moved to Europe afterwards (I recall UK but might be wrong about that part)
Element is a Matrix client.
I think signal, proton and tuta are totally fine for most peoples threat model unless they feel they need the extra privacy.
If we want everyone to value privacy then we need to onboard them with easy to use and accessible services first and then they can take steps further if they want.