It's not fun interacting with them when they often want to engage in ad hominems. This is why I have no interest in the tankie triad.
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So, if there is a feedback loop where if dbzer0 users are ultimately okay with an admin harassing people, then the toxicity can persist? As long as they can convince others with lies then the admin can get away with it? That "tend to" in my quote seems to be doing some real heavy lifting, from my perspective.
You'd prefer that one person decide by fiat what's OK or not? I don't know about you but I find democracy superior to dictatorship, even when nominally "benevolent" .
So, obvious harassment and toxicity needs to be put to a vote for any action to be taken? Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree on that one.
Why not post on !modabuse@lemmy.sdf.org if you want to report such abuse on a place where db0 admins can't intervene?
Since sdf is federated with dbzer0, then how is it safe from the dbzer0 mob? As you can see, lemmy.world/support was not safe either.
I really just want them all to leave me alone.
I meant that they can't remove the post or comments, not that they can't comment
I don't see how that's helpful at all. What does that do? At best get some validation?
I just happen to be particularly unskilled at convincing others and I can get riled up easily when someone needlessly tries to bully me. That shouldn't qualify me for the treatment I've received here on Lemmy, but that's not how it's worked out.
I hate this place.
So then you can use that post to support your claims when you say you are getting bullied
Advice was given on other threads. There are probably topics that you like that are not meta related. You can focus on those.
theres always the superior alternative !YPTBcirclejerk@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Clearly, it's not "obvious" at all. Again, we anarchists tend to prefer democracy over dictatorship.
I wasn't necessarily referring only to the specific circumstance. I was also pointing out the flaw in the logic of "only democracy".
Again, my point was that a common feedback loop and/or an alignment of a person's toxicity can easily protect someone from justice. Similar to what is happening to the US political parties, particularly the Republican party. Plenty of people align and agree with what is happening and thus it is allowed to continue and even escalate.
As long as someone can paint a better picture and have a following to support then, then a person can get away with seemingly anything at dbzer0. Just gotta get those votes from the people willing and able to participate during the voting period.
What's your superior alternative?
I'm supposed to have a "superior alternative" to point out the issues in a system?
How about just simply take action under some circumstances where it makes sense. Don't let admins/mods/users get away with being toxic. Use logic and reasoning and put aside your own biases to look at a situation more objectively.
I just want these toxic dbzer0 users to leave me alone. Why is that so hard to understand? Do I need to create some formal case and put it to vote on an instance that I've blocked because I want to avoid it and their toxic users all because I can't get away from these people who attack me for a simple disagreement of opinion?
Why not just blocking them?
Because then they can't keep playing the victim.
That would allow them to continue being assholes unabated without anyone defending me. They've already shown themselves to barge in on my comments and posts with lies.
I just just bury my head in the ground and pretend that's not happening?
Blocking is a normal way to avoid interacting with people you don't want to.
Hexbear or lemmygrad users could be talking about you without you seeing it due to defederation, it's not that different
It's significantly different. The people in my own instance and the instances that it federates with all see it. It's directly attached and connected with my post/comment. Anyone who sees my post/comment sees their lies, too.
With defederated instances, it's like x users talking shit about threads users.
The main issue is that I don't want them interacting with me. I have no problems not interacting with them until they start shit.
Why do you care? Or, if you care enough, why not bear the burden?
There's no ideal solution
So your suggest is that I just act by fiat against the other mods?
I don't know mate, I feel like your issues would be resolved if you didn't go in random threads and start badmouthing our instance as a whole and then complain the our users try to defend it.
There you go. "badmouthing". "try to defend it." This is it right here. The fact you call that behavior "defending" is appalling and insulting. That there shows precisely my issues with you, the admins, and the instance as a whole. You and your group are willing to lie and twist whatever you need to turn the situation into your favor. As long as you have your followers, you'll get away with it, too.
Anyone who has a reasonable issue is "badmouthing" and the toxic admins who antagonize and escalate are just "trying to defend".
Fuck right off with that.
You literally jumped into this very discussion I was having with someone else. I saw you elsewhere just piping up out of the blue just to shit on our instance, don't try to play the victim here that's you're just minding your own and bad people keep hounding you.
Stop shitstirring if you don't want to be splattered with shit.
Sorry, but thr only one lying and twisting the truth has always been yourself.
There you go again conveniently leaving out key information in order to twist the narrative.
I was not "just piping up out of the blue just to shit on our instance" at all. Not only was it not out of the blue, because it was directly after your own admins were needlessly shitting on me. I also was speaking broadly and vaguely about why I have been growing to fucking hate lemmy, because of asshats like you lying fuckwads who start shit then have the fucking gall to shove the blame on me, until someone from your own instance asked for specifics. Again, this was right after being attacked by your admins. So, I happened to come across a post where you made a claim I was rightfully dubious about. I was not rude about it, yet that somehow gives you the right to escalate and fucking lie and twist the narrative.
Go fuck yourself you narcissistic asswad. You are absolutely incapable of seeing how fucking hypocritical you are. THIS is why I simply disagreed that you are "chill". You are far from it.
Fuck you. Fuck Blaze for pretending to be sympathetic while subversively supporting you and your lies. Fuck @Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com. Fuck @eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com Fuck your whole instance. Fuck Lemmy entirely. I hope this entire platform crushes you all, you fucked up shitbags.
You're such a chill and lovely individual, no wonder you get so much love! 😘
"We attacked and antagonized you so much that we pushed you to the point of dropping civility. Lol I'm going to do it some more since I can get away with it!"
Go swallow a gallon of molten shit you absolute garbage creature.
With friends like you who needs enemies?
Lol. Disengage.