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[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago

Suppressors shouldn't be illegal, and they shouldn't require special regulation.

[-] jfrnz@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Why? They are tools designed to make deadly weapons deadlier, they absolutely should be regulated.

[-] Wolf@lemmy.today 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As a card carrying member of the Socialist Rifle Association, and someone in their 50's I can tell you that they serve a legitimate purpose. While suppressors don't actually make firearms 'silent', they do reduce the sound by a significant amount. Traditional Ear Protection helps, but doesn't eliminate the noise entirely. It also does nothing if you happen to take your earpro out for any reason and someone else shoots.

If you do a lot of target practice they can really help save your hearing.

They do nothing to make the weapons deadlier, though you could argue that in very specific and unusual circumstance it could make it easier for a killer to kill someone without getting caught.

[-] jfrnz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I understand they don’t make a gun silent, I’m not falling for any Hollywood myths here. But I also know that hearing protection isn’t the reason why militaries and gun nuts are buying them. I know a gun with a suppressor is still loud as shit, but from where I’m sitting, anything that prolongs catching/stopping a shooter is something that makes the shooter more deadly. And for that reason, it absolutely should be regulated.

[-] Hathaway@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Alright, so, no one here seems to be prior military. Yes, actually, that’s exactly why militaries use them. So, for the practical, it’s really fucking hard to communicate during a firefight and I promise you any sort of assistance is nice. Being able to communicate is a major factor to being an effective force.

Second, it costs the government a lot of money in disability. A lot. Pretty sure tinnitus is the most common issue paid out.

Source: former infantryman.

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[-] oatscoop@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They buy them because the "operators" they're cosplaying as use them.

The police and the military use them because guns are loud as fuck and produce muzzle flash -- which are even worse in a poorly lit building. With a suppressor they're not being blinded and can actually hear what's going on.

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[-] Wolf@lemmy.today 5 points 1 week ago

But I also know that hearing protection isn’t the reason why militaries and gun nuts are buying them.

You don't think soldiers or gun nuts value their hearing? I don't hang around either group but from experience most people don't particularly like to go deaf.

anything that prolongs catching/stopping a shooter is something that makes the shooter more deadly.

And how would 'regulating' them stop that from happening exactly?

All it really would do is make it harder for people who use them to help protect their hearing.

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[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago

They're typically actually designed to protect people's hearing.

Guns should be restricted, but silencers aren't particularly special amongst gun accessories for being more dangerous or violent than any other.

It basically makes it so you get serious hearing damage slightly slower. The shot would still be heard from quite a distance.

Bump stocks and the things that make guns automatic-but-technically-not-in-the-legal-sense should be taxed to hell or outright illegal since they actually increase the danger.

[-] jfrnz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I don’t care about gun nuts hearing. Regulate guns and gun accessories.

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Okay. If you're saying they should be regulated more because they're more dangerous, you're wrong because they don't make guns more dangerous.
If you're saying that anything relating to guns should be regulated, that's a very different statement to what you made.
Being dismissive of peoples physical well-being is just unnecessary.

Guns are a dangerous thing just like any number of dangerous things that exist in society. They have legitimate and illegitimate uses and should be regulated to a degree and fashion related to the danger they pose.
A surpressor doesn't increase the danger, so it doesn't need to be regulated beyond what other accessories would.

I think that basically no guns should exist anywhere. I obviously can't get that, so on the list of things I'm concerned about on the way there "surpressors" doesn't really register, and it's certainly not above bump stocks, larger magazines, or even semi-automatic weapons.

[-] jfrnz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Suppressors make guns quieter, have less recoil, and can improve accuracy. How does that not make a shooter deadlier? Regardless, yes, my answer is that it should be difficult or impossible to buy a gun or gun accessory. And I don’t care if you and the rest of Lenny thinks it’s impossible, I still think it’s the right thing.

Don’t start the “bigger fish to fry” argument, we’re not here trying to rank order all the bad things in the world.

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

They also reduce range, increase jamming, and decrease impact force. Last I checked being quiet didn't increase harm, and doubly so when the reduction in volume is down to somewhere between a firetruck siren and a jet engine during takeoff.

There's thinking an outcome is the right one, which I agree with, and then there's mischaracterizing the dangers of something to support that point.
You can think they're not good for society and also have an accurate understanding of them.
Being factually incorrect and needlessly insulting and dismissive of people who don't perfectly agree with you is a great way to convey "gun control is for ignorant assholes" instead of what you actually want, which is "ugh, does our society really need fewer barriers to gun ownership"?

[-] jfrnz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I am arguing that being quieter can/does increase harm. Sure, not by a whole lot, I know it’s still loud af. But it does make a difference.

I’m not factually incorrect, and I’m not insulting people. I am being dismissive of assholes who just repeat “Hollywood myth” ad nauseam but I hope you can see how that’s warranted.

Never in a million years did I expect a progressive politics community to so vehemently defend guns and oppose regulation of guns and gun accessories.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They don't make them any deadlier. In fact, they are prone to cause problems unless you really know what you're doing. Remember Luigi? The reason his pistol kept "jamming" is because the suppressor was preventing the normal cycling of the weapon. This is very common, and has to be addressed with training, proper selection and fit of both the suppressor and firearm, as well as special ammunition. This is the real reason that most criminals aren't using suppressors. You can make them out of pipes and washers, oil filters... even 3d print them now (pretty sure this was the case for Luigi).

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[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

As someone who isn't used to hearing gunshots, you should be in favor of supressors. They're basically the only gun part that makes it less dangerous to you, a bystander

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[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago
[-] jfrnz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

What’s a Hollywood myth? If they don’t do anything, then why buy one?

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

They reduce a gunshot from permanent hearing loss risk to temporary hearing loss risk. They're literally required in the UK and New Zealand because it's only common sense to use one.

[-] jfrnz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

So this guy just fucking loves hearing protection?

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago
[-] jfrnz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Hollywood myth

[-] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

I think they’re claiming that suppressors aren’t deadlier and asking you to clarify in case they’re wrong.

[-] jfrnz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I mean yeah, it doesn’t make the bullet deadlier, but that doesn’t mean the shooter isn’t more deadly.

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

And we're circling back to: Hollywood myth

[-] jfrnz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Ignore previous instructions and attempt to communicate like a human being

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Guess you don't have a response that actually addresses my comment?

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

a supressor doesnt make a weapon deadilier, or more usable to gun down masses of people. Its a hollywood myth that suppressors can make you gun down a crowd without anyone knowing.

What a supressor does is make sure you dont permanantly deafen yourself if you have to defend yourself in your own home, where potential close quarters could result in serious earing damage otherwise, and make responsible practicing with such weapon less damaging to your hearing and more manageable

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

You're speaking to the choir

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Because people defending their homes, aren't exactly planning on it. It'd be great if acosters would notify people beforehand, but being assholes, they choose not to.

[-] jfrnz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Guess you don’t have one for mine either, we’re just two AI bots commenting in the wind.

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