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Comparison XMPP/Matrix (www.freie-messenger.de)
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[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wat. Conversations is on F-Droid… and it’s the basis for Blabber, Cheogram, Monocles, etc. It’s the most influential XMPP application in the Android space.

[-] mojo@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Literally never heard of any of those, or see any community link to them. Is that really what XMPP considers their most bleeding edge clients?

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Then you need to meet more communities 😅

Also for the sake of chat, what’s something truly innovative since the heyday of AIM & IRC? There just isn’t many useful bells & whistles to be added in the last decade. The newer XEPs for stickers+message reactions have been out with some new clients picking them up, but these aren’t something fundamentally changing how folks speak.

[-] itchy_lizard@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Double ratchet e2ee and asymmetric communication

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I was referring to the experience (encryption is usually felt as something transparent after it’s set up). However both Matrix & XMPP have e2ee even if the implementation isn’t identical (OMEMO allows per device).

What is “asymmetric communication”? Only one side can talk?

[-] itchy_lizard@feddit.it 1 points 1 year ago

Asymmetric communication allows communication when one party is offline. One of the biggest issues with XMPP is both parties need to be online..

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0203.html

I've not yet had issues with messages not getting delivered when recipient is offline.

[-] itchy_lizard@feddit.it 1 points 1 year ago

Which server do you use that caches messages for you, and how do I know if a given XMPP provider has implemented this functionality?

Also, does it also work with e2ee messages?

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I know Prosody does & I’d put money on ejabberd supporting it too but I’ve not looked it up. You can check compliance for Conversations using https://compliance.conversations.im/ which includes message archive management + carbons or use a client that exposes a servers supported XEPs. Yes, it works with encrypted messages.

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