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[-] kopasz7@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You can only lie if you know what's true. This is bullshitting all the way down that sometines happens to sound true, sometimes it doesn't.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Yeah it's just token prediction all the way down. Asking it repeatedly to not do something might have even made it more likely to predict tokens that would do that thing.

[-] MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Oh ha ha, so it's like a toddler? You have to be very careful not to tell toddlers NOT to do a thing, because they will definitely do that thing. "Don't touch the hot pan." Toddler touches the hot pan.

The theory is that they don't hear the word "don't", just the subsequent command. My theory is that the toddler brain goes, "why?" and proceeds to run a test to find out.

In either scenario, screaming ensues.

[-] prole 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Don't really care to argue about the semantics. It's clear what I meant.

[-] kopasz7@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago

To you I'm sure it is crystal clear. I'm just on the other end of communication.

[-] Corbin@programming.dev 14 points 1 week ago

You probably should have used semantics to communicate if you wanted your semantics to be unambiguous. Instead you used mere syntax and hoped that the reader would assign the same semantics that you had used. (This is apropos because language models also use syntax alone and have no semantics.)

[-] staircase@programming.dev 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I understand where you're coming from, but I don't agree it's about semantics; it's about devaluation of communication. LLMs and their makers threaten that in multiple ways. Thinking of it as "lying" is one of them.

[-] prole 3 points 1 week ago

OK sure. I was just using the wording from the article to make a point, I wasn't trying to get into a discussion about whether "lying" requires intent.

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