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[-] utopiah@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Does it matter if the overhead is practically irrelevant?

[-] trevor 10 points 1 day ago

The biggest downside to containers vs. Nix for me is that Nix can produce binaries for Linux and macOS, whereas docker only helps with Linux unless you can perform literal magic to cross-compile your project on Linux for macOS.

Containers also don't give you reproducible environments, and Nix does.

That said, Nix documentation is ass, so I usually end up going with containers because they require far less suffering to get working because writing a containerfile is much easier than guessing how to hobble together a Nix flake with a mostly undocumented language.

[-] utopiah@lemmy.ml 1 points 14 hours ago

Feels very arbitrary. Why would I care about say MacOS versus FreeBSD or say NeXTSTEP (just to be provocative)?

Anyway I'm being pulled away from the actual argument, the "bare metal" argument is about performances, isn't it?

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Yes, the systems people actually use vs every system that exists. Very arbitrary

[-] utopiah@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

What I mean is that MacOS is proprietary and runs on specific hardware, it's by design not meant to be interoperable so it's not "just" popularity.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 3 points 22 hours ago

Containers also don't give you reproducible environments, and Nix does.

Of course it does. 🙄

[-] trevor 2 points 21 hours ago

Care to elaborate? Containers give you repeatable environments, which are not the same thing as reproducible environments.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)
docker build . -t docker.company.com/build-env:1.0 && docker push docker.company.com/build-env:1.0

But for like 99% of development teams "repeatable" is Good Enough(tm).

[-] trevor 5 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

So, containers do not get you reproducibility.

For dev environments, repeatable is okay. If you want actually reproducible binaries that you can ship, Nix is better fit for that purpose.

[-] gedhrel@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I'm not quite sure why you fetishise a bit-for-bit over semantic equivalence. Doesn't it turn "it works on my machine" into "it works on my machine as long as it has this sha: ... "?

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 hours ago

So, containers do not get you reproducibility.

You absolutely do. If you build a container and publish it you will pull down that exact thing every time. How is that not "reproducibility"?

You no what though? Scratch that - who gives a fuck? Bit-for-bit reproducibility takes far more effort than it's worth anyway. Even NixOS isn't completely reproducible. It's a false goal.

For dev environments, repeatable is okay.

It's well more than good enough you mean.

If you want actually reproducible binaries that you can ship, Nix is better fit for that purpose.

Nobody really needs that.

[-] trevor 2 points 14 hours ago
[-] Mihies@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

It could if there are issues accessing hardware directly. Overhead is, as you said, not that important.

[-] utopiah@lemmy.ml 1 points 14 hours ago

Isn't it what passthrough is for?

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