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i hate musk, but i am not wild about our dependence on china either, so i am not really sure who to root for in this fight...
I would say go with whatever company that doesn't have a CEO throwing Nazi salutes.
Yeah, the Chinese manufacturers are out to make money, and at least we know what to expect from them.
Besides, being profitable usually means making a better product than your competitors.
GASP!
You mean... Proper capitalism!?
Okay there's a ton of spyware in the car, but - just . . don't . . . connect it. Or whatever.
And you think ICE cars don't have spyware these days?
I dunno, ICE cars weren't on my list to start with. I assume.
I suspect you know this, and your post is sarcastic. But just in case:
Most cars have their own embedded SIMs nowadays. They're already connected. You can't disconnect them.
No, I haven't bought a new car in many many years.
That's absolutely unacceptable. I would have the dashboard pulled out in minutes. Wherever the modem is, it wouldn't be there for long.
Hahahah, fuse go brrrr.
Jokes aside, they probably shut off the car if it can't phone home within a certain time period.
That's equivalent to buying a subscription to a car. I would never buy that car. That's koo koo bananapants unsane.
Of course, I don't have a facepals account either so - what do i know.
Yeah. I have a car that has telemetry. Sucks for privacy, but if I was going to commit a crime, I would just ******************************************************************************, use the system to obfuscate the data.
I don't know that they're out to make money though. A lot of the Chinese manufacturers are now struggling due to the price war they instigated themselves. Huge production surplus but they pushed down the price so much they hardly make any money
Competition is fierce, but they are not exactly struggling due to government subsidies/incentives. These are so extreme that Chinese manufacturers are over producing and dumping "used" EVs with zero mileage for export.
Similar to US agricultural dumping, this is a terrible policy for everyone, except for the beneficiaries of the subsidies, and maybe the overseas consumers who get cheap EVs in the short term.
China's Zero-Mile 'Used' EVs Are Flooding Global Markets - https://insideevs.com/news/763687/china-zero-mile-used-evs/
I think a lot of it is also growing their market share and establishing their brand.
Root for better public transport and active cities instead of car dependency :)
The public transport bus I take to and from work is a Chinese made electric. It's a Yutong E15.
I remember that one getting tested in my hometown.
How common are these in Denmark? 😮 don't feel like I've seen one, but then again it's not like I study the make before I get in the bus
Living in the boonies, I'm never going to get a bus going by every ten minutes so a solid market for good EVs is still what I root for.
Of course, public transport has a limit and we can root for both as well, including protected bike lanes even in the boonies like we successfully see in the Netherlands
I'm somewhat hopeful, in the last ten years, new and renovated country roads have been getting dedicated bike lanes behind the guardrails. Miles away from the excellent, completely separate infrastructure the dutch have, but its a start.
i am lucky, my city has excellent public transport, that doesn't stop people from using cars though. be it because of pure habit, or because public transport is not solution for everything.
so i'd rather if our european car industry wasn't decimated by the chinese one.
It would be nice if there was a way to rip out any questionable software/electric components from modern cars and replace it with something open source.
Competition is good for the consumer. More options from more players will encourage more charging infrastructure and (ostensibly) more innovation. It's not just Elon Musk vs China. Every automaker that wants to sell cars in the USA is on notice. If they want to compete in the EV subcategory, they need to focus on price and performance. People want budget-conscious EVs.
except what is happening now is not really any kind of fair competition. the european manufacturers exported they know-how to china, which was strategic failure, it was stolen, and now it is sold back to us with the advantage of cheap chinese production.
they will ruin our production and we will be in a similar situation where we were during covid, when the political leadership were saluting the china cargo airplanes on tarmac, otherwise it would not bring us masks, syringes, or any other stuff whose production we had given up and outsourced to china
unless we turn the ship around quite soon, we will be regretting it soon and for a long time.
Buy european? I mean if that's an option.
There are lots of EVs by European car manufacturers. The problem is that they have trouble competing on price with the Chinese ones.
You' ve been explained this whole scenario years ago when Putin was pushing for Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok.
That was EU chance to get dirt cheap energy and raw materials.
And now - EU heavy industry is dying, car manufacturers are sold to China one by one. Decision made decade+ ago.
what?