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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Don't forget the cowardice of Democrats in general.

The truth is, in practice, Trump would have not been any worse than Biden on Gaza, even if the war had continued. Biden is already giving full US support to Israel. There's nothing that a president can give Israel that Biden isn't already giving Israel. I suppose a president could order US troops to directly participate in the fighting, but even Trump's not that stupid.

This you?

[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

Typical liberal obsessed with gotchas. It comes from a place where you assume no one has any consistent beliefs or values. That probably says a lot more about you than it does about anyone else.

Yes, of course that was me. And that statement is as true then as now. Trump and Biden's Israel policies are indistinguishable from one another. Trump is just a lot more of a crass asshole about it. You're distracted by messaging rather than actual on-the-ground policy. Trump is a lot ruder, so you assume that his policies are worse on Palestine than Biden's were.

The truth is you can't have higher support than 100%.

Can you name a single Trump policy on Israel/Palestine that Biden or Harris have come out to publicly oppose? Can you name a single one? It's a lot easier for them to do so now as they're not in office. They have far more free reign now than they ever did while in the oval office. If they're not willing to denounce any of Trump's Israel policies today, then it would be brain-dead moronic to assume they would have different policies if they were in office.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Typical liberal obsessed with gotchas.

This is about the response I expected from someone like you when called out on your hypocrisy.

Trump and Biden’s Israel policies are indistinguishable from one another.

Biden and his administration regularly condemned Israel for their actions. They also tried to help broker a peace deal. They also floated arms shipment cancellations. All pretty ballsy considering Israel is America's most important geopolitical ally in the Middle East.

These are all decidedly different than "Full speed ahead, and maybe we can turn Gaza into a resort destination after displacing the Palestinians" which is literally Donald Trump's policy, out of his mouth. If you can't see the difference, that's your defective brain at fault.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Can you name a single Trump policy on Israel/Palestine that Biden or Harris have come out to publicly oppose?

Sure howabout the annexation of Gaza for a luxury beach resort?

tbh I don’t have a Harris or Biden quote on that queued up, but maybe we could allow that they might, in fact, oppose it.

[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So you've failed my simple request. Biden is such a Zionist he can't even be bothered to denounce outright ethnic cleansing.

Hint. The reason he can't is that his adminstration made their own attempt to arrange the explusion of the Gaza population. The Biden admin was fully onboard with ethnic cleansing. Trump is just more crass about it. You're distracted by shiny over substance.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Ah, I can see you’re a real wonk who knows what a policy is. Well, since that didn’t impress you and you need more proof you simply can’t find, though Oh how you try, here’s some more:

Trump Reverses Sanctions on Israelis in Day 1 Executive Order Trump reversed the Biden administration’s sanctions on Israelis, suspended new aid for the Palestinians, and took measures against international bodies hostile to Israel. The president also spoke of confronting Iran and normalizing Israeli-Saudi relations

Policy enough? No? You’re just a little tough customer aren’t ya! Okay howabout

Trump signs order imposing sanctions on International Criminal Court over investigations of Israel

No still, huh? Boy, it’s like you’re just not able to be convinced somehow. Well, what the hay howabout

In 2020, Trump released a plan that would have limited a Palestinian state’s sovereign powers and allowed Israel to controlsecurity over the Palestinian state, which would be demilitarized. Israel would also have sovereignty over certain parts of the occupied West Bank.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/sep/11/how-kamala-harris-and-donald-trump-compare-on-isra/

So there’s a little bit of insight into your beloved leader’s policies which I feel pretty comfortable in saying Harris/Biden would disagree with.

Since you’ll just take this link-beating with absolutely no humility, grace, or consideration, this will likely be my adieu. But just real quick I don’t know what country you’re from but “liberal” means “left” here so if you’re advocating for some kind of anarchist front or something, you’re gonna be SoL in the US but good luck in wherever you are.

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