Condescension and gatekeeping is never okay. If a woman did this to a man, I would defend the man. So it's not a double standard.
It's just that women frequently deal with this when they partake in male-centric hobbies. When this happens, there's often some element of misogyny at play. So it's okay for us to point out that specific situation and say it's frustrating, and doing so doesn't mean we're saying this has never happened to men, nor that it's morally virtuous for women in subcultures to condescend to men.
Also, this culture war thing is so exhausting. Everyone reads between lines and assumes the worst in everyone.
As a man, existing anywhere in public alone with my daughter got me all types of gatekeeping questions and comments. "Giving mommy a break?", "Must be your day to babysit...", "Oh is it your weekend?"
I took to telling people that my partner died in childbirth to shut them up. Rude & over the top? Probably, but I shouldn't have to defend being a parent.
That's interesting. I think that seems like a good example where the roles would be reversed. I think people really do rely on stereotypes about parenting to assume dads play a secondary or otherwise nonexistent parental role, when that definitely isn't always the case. Thank you for sharing your experience.
"Reverse sexism." Okay, so women can never point out hurtful things that might be sexist because it's sexist against men to point out sexism. No recourse, then? Got it. So, I belive this user is coming at this question in bad faith, as his mind is seemingly made up on what he thinks, so that first question was actually a statement, rather than genuinely asking how we'd respond to the roles being reversed.
If that's not the case, my mistake. If it is, please go to a different community with this stuff. Your side won the culture war. My side can no longer use our first amendment rights in public peacefully without having the National Guard called. Just leave us in peace in our tiny corners of the internet we have left until my country's government decides that is also illegal.
On the other side of the spectrum I've owned and worn band clothes without even knowing they were band clothes. They were second hand and I liked the logos.
Condescension and gatekeeping is never okay. If a woman did this to a man, I would defend the man. So it's not a double standard.
It's just that women frequently deal with this when they partake in male-centric hobbies. When this happens, there's often some element of misogyny at play. So it's okay for us to point out that specific situation and say it's frustrating, and doing so doesn't mean we're saying this has never happened to men, nor that it's morally virtuous for women in subcultures to condescend to men.
Also, this culture war thing is so exhausting. Everyone reads between lines and assumes the worst in everyone.
As a man, existing anywhere in public alone with my daughter got me all types of gatekeeping questions and comments. "Giving mommy a break?", "Must be your day to babysit...", "Oh is it your weekend?"
I took to telling people that my partner died in childbirth to shut them up. Rude & over the top? Probably, but I shouldn't have to defend being a parent.
That's interesting. I think that seems like a good example where the roles would be reversed. I think people really do rely on stereotypes about parenting to assume dads play a secondary or otherwise nonexistent parental role, when that definitely isn't always the case. Thank you for sharing your experience.
You mean if a woman insinuated you weren't a real fan by asking you to prove you know more than 5 tracks? Sure, man. That'd be real bad.
Hey, does anyone remember when Morgan Webb was being harassed online for being a fake gamer girl while Adam Sessler wasn't?
How does that change the equation?
Let's try this: what do you think I would say.
"Reverse sexism." Okay, so women can never point out hurtful things that might be sexist because it's sexist against men to point out sexism. No recourse, then? Got it. So, I belive this user is coming at this question in bad faith, as his mind is seemingly made up on what he thinks, so that first question was actually a statement, rather than genuinely asking how we'd respond to the roles being reversed.
If that's not the case, my mistake. If it is, please go to a different community with this stuff. Your side won the culture war. My side can no longer use our first amendment rights in public peacefully without having the National Guard called. Just leave us in peace in our tiny corners of the internet we have left until my country's government decides that is also illegal.
Not really, but the issue is about how toxic misogynistic males frequently do this, not the fact that the string of events that have occurred
Yes! Who can even name five people they trust!?
I mean, if I'm wearing a band's shirt I'll probably know five of their songs so sure.
On the other side of the spectrum I've owned and worn band clothes without even knowing they were band clothes. They were second hand and I liked the logos.
It’s just way way way way worse for women that’s all.