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I'm so enslaved! Waaahhh!
You really don't see what's happening around you?
Let me just make sure we're on the same page with a little maths problem: you have nine people and a Nazi eating dinner at the table together. How many Nazis are at the table?
That needs to be followed up with "Are you at that table?".
No need, the answer tells enough.
But this makes it direct and forced self reflection on their part.
With what you said 1. Someone doesn't have to be a good person, or be right, to coexist. Sitting at the same table as Pol Pot or Hitler isn't enabling them.
Unfortunately this is incorrect as far as these ideologies go. They're fundamentally incompatible with the principles of a free democratic society and so cannot be tolerated by anyone who claims to uphold the values of a free democratic society. If claim to uphold those values, and you're sitting at the table with those people: No you fucking don't. "Good person" and "correct" do not enter the equation at any point.
It doesn't matter. I'm sure you can find something wrong with everything. It's why all these nazis are running around! So many nazis! They're in my attic making nests!
You, and most others, have clearly forgotten that there is a line and that line is Nazism. Not "everyone is a Nazi". Just the ones willing to sit by quietly and let them advance their agenda, instead of loudly and violently fighting them at every turn. You might not be able to admit it to yourself, but I don't concern myself with the opinions of Nazis so I don't really care what you think about the fact.
As far as I can see you're the person who brought up Nazis out of nowhere. That's what they are making fun of. People randomly screaming Nazi and calling people nazis for no good reason. This was a meme about capitalists exploiting workers and basically running the planet. It had nothing to do with Nazis specifically or even American specifically yet you seem hyperfixated on both of these things for some reason. You don't even seem to understand what Nazis even are, saying things like Marxists can be Nazis which is patently absurd. Have you ever heard of Godwin's law?
Democracy is essentially always incompatible with a free society in the first place. Eating dinner with a Nazi isn't helping Nazis seize power. You've probably met genuine sociopaths, people who want to kill or severely harm others. Should you pre-judge them? Is that actually useful for anything?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q5DoYyV5RU
I know someone online who privately admitted to me to being a pedophile, and is very suicidal. They claim to have never victimized anyone, just thought about it. It makes me very uncomfortable. But I also think if I bluntly said that it would make them more self-destructive, feeling more isolated, and feeling more like they shouldn't be honest. I think that would lead to them being more likely to victimize someone. This isn't just a utilitarian calculus though, I genuinely do not want them to suffer. Even though they have disgusting thoughts that could manifest in the suffering of others. What would you do?
These things are not comparable. This person you spoke to has urges, not beliefs. He clearly doesn't believe it's right to want to fuck kids. Nazism is a personal political view, and that view includes the belief that I don't have the right to exist. That the people I love don't have a right to exist. That is not an exaggeration, that is a fact, and you have to accede it as reasonable to work with someone who believes it. I do not, never have and never will, and I'm sick and tired of people pretending like a Nazi will just up and abandon the monstrous core principles of their entire platform. You will never budge them, they will only drag you down to their level if you try. Other opinions are fine; Nazis are not.
Political beliefs do not exist in a vacuum. Imo they always come from emotion and urges to some extent. Even the most reasoned utilitarian views- and especially Nazism.
Alarmingly I don't really know. Or if they just say that.
Yes the view is wrong and bad. No one here is arguing with that.
No you do not.
Many won't. I guess the core of the disagreement is really "you have to accede it as reasonable to work with someone who believes it." which I don't agree with at all. Everyone I interact with and care about has beliefs I consider unreasonable and unethical to some extent, most not to the degree of Nazis- but some approaching it.
Yes, that is the core of the disagreement. You can always find someone to work with who doesn't believe those things; otherwise you have to say "they're fine except for this". But they're not fine except for that when "that" is "I don't believe autistic people should exist so we should kill them all". I guess to put it in an easy to digest sentence: Believing Nazi things is what makes someone a Nazi.
If someone comes around, then great. But we cannot allow "eh" to be the response to "those people who have done nothing wrong should die". That's your response when you work with Nazis, whether you'll admit it to yourself or not. Because you will excuse that core tenet of their views, and I don't think that's reasonable.
The social contract has rules that say we can't kill each other. Nazism does not respect that, so adherents of Nazism do not respect that, so they do not adhere to the social contract, thus they are not covered by it.
At the end of the day bud you're here saying it's okay to work with Nazis. It isn't, period dot and end of story. Fix your ethics.
It sure is enabling my right to think you're enabling them. Unless you leave the table once you know who you're sitting with, I'm judging you. Hard.
What if you're sitting at the table with them, Nuremberg style?
Then you'd be on trial for crimes against humanity.
... i meant on the other side of the table?
If you sit with someone, and they say "death to all Jews", and you DON'T immediately argue or leave - you are accepting their beliefs as valid.
No you're not. That's just fundamentally untrue. You're accepting their beliefs if you repeat after them.
No, that's agreeing.
Then you accept the beliefs of Nazis by your definition. After all, you haven't killed any yet.
That's not my definition. That's you trying to deflect.
No, i neither argue with them of GTFO, like I said.
I do argue with Nazis. Why do you continue to let them exist.
That's me saying you have a different definition to accept from me. I consider accepting a belief to be believing the belief is acceptable and sane. I do not accept nazism.
Why are you arguing with me, then, when all I said was that you shouldn't accept being in the presence of their beliefs? Based on your most recent comments you seem to agree... so what are we doing here? And why are you trying to catch me in some gotcha based on a statement I never made?
And no, accepting a belief means not challenging it, implicitly treating it as normal.
Okay, so you agree you can accept a person as a human and a friend without accepting their beliefs? Because that's what I'm saying
I wouldn't really agree with that only because its just not your job. You don't have a responsibility with burdening yourself with constantly correcting others.
Are you saying you're a nazi?
The correct answer is "Ten Nazis". We are clearly not on the same page - yours has a swastika on it.
Wrong but ok
I don't concern myself with the opinions of Nazis or Nazi collaborators. Get fucked.
I'm neither. And I will get fucked. Repeatedly. Don't be too jealous with your nazi incel BS.
Use your words. How is it "wrong"?
Not everyone who believes in capitalism is a nazi. You aren't helping your cause by acting like this. Nobody should have to tell you this.
Capitalism has nothing to do with Nazism. If you find a capitalist throwing a sieg heil, they're a Nazi. If you find a Buddhist or a Marxist or a Christian or literally anyone working with people who throw sieg heils, they're a Nazi. If you (the general you, not you specifically) find yourself continuing to voice support for a president who didn't immediately get rid of Musk after he sieg heil'd on TV TWICE, you're a fuckin Nazi.
Nobody should have to tell you this.
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Nice
This is how I, as a European, feel.
But I am certain that it must feel very different if you life in Afrika, China, one of the Koreas or, since recently, the US.