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[-] zloubida@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

everything has to have an origin, except God?

The actual argument is everything has to have an origin inside the universe, thus our universe to exist must have a cause exterior to it. We call this cause God. It's not a question of higher being, just that a universe where the effect predates the cause can't hold. God is not less omnipotent because they can't make a round square.

Why couldn't an all-powerful being have chosen to create the universe such that everything is good?

I thought I answered this question twice, I'm sorry if I'm not clear, English is hard for me. So I'll try again: because it's logically impossible to have a universe which is not a part of God, thus independant and free, that is also perfectly good, as God is perfectly good. Put as a formula, the formulas

universe = good and universe ≠ God are not possible at the same time if God = good

[-] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

It's not a question of higher being, just that a universe where the effect predates the cause can't hold. God is not less omnipotent because they can't make a round square.

So this would mean that logic exists outside our universe, and since God can't change logic, it's an even higher power than they are - right? But why isn't God bound by logic regarding e.g. creating matter/energy?

It seems it all comes down to God having to follow rules beyond their own design and power, which flies in the face of them being all-powerful and all-knowing. After all, even if evil must be an option, they could have created the universe such that no being would ever choose to do evil - they already knew the choices everyone would make when they created the universe!

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