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[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

It's only Antisemitic when "their land" is defined "from the river to the sea." There are 8 million people who are not Palestinians living there for generations now. Some families for centuries.

Of course they have a right to peaceful existence and security on the land where they live.

[-] when@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

There's no anti-semetism in those words, Palestinians include Muslims and Jews who lived there for centuries. The problem is europeans persecuted immigrants who were forced upon Palestinians. True Justice would be to divide Germany (biggest perpetrator) into two parts to give rise of Jewish state. Why would Palestinians take the brunt of Europe's crime?

[-] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I thought one of the biggest lessons of this whole thing was trying to create a Jewish state (or anything similar) on top of a place where people already live is going to create conflict with the people that already live there.

Also telling Jews to go back to Germany after WWII. "War is totally over guys, time to go back to Germany." That's gonna sound like a childish prank.

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Your logic is so cracked I don't know where to begin. If "Europeans" are to blame for the oppression of Palestinians, then shouldn't they be responsible for making a Palestinian state in Europe? That is a bonkers take. Please take a little time to think through the things you post.

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

then shouldn't they be responsible for making a Palestinian state in Europe?

Sure, if they want to tie up the genocide with a forced ressetlement.

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Literally was just suggested by OP. Seems pretty inhumane to me, but you do you.

Edit: corrected user. Thought you were OP.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

It is an emancipatory slogan that calls for an end to apartheid and for equal rights.

Yousef Munayyer, head of the Palestine-Israel program at the Arab Center Washington D.C., has written extensively about the meaning of the slogan before and since Hamas's attacks on Oct. 7, which led to Israel's current bombardment of the Gaza Strip.

"It's an expression of Palestinian nationalism and it's an expression of a demand for Palestinian freedom or self-determination," said Waxman. "I think Palestinian self-determination need not come at the expense of Jewish self-determination. Nor do I think Palestinian freedom has to be considered a threat to Jewish rights."

Simply put, the majority of Palestinians who use this phrase do so because they believe that, in 10 short words, it sums up their personal ties, their national rights and their vision for the land they call Palestine. And while attempts to police the slogan’s use may come from a place of genuine concern, there is a risk that tarring the slogan as antisemitic – and therefore beyond the pale – taps into a longer history of attempts to silence Palestinian voices.

The use of the phrase “from the river to the sea” has come under particular scrutiny in the last three months. When Palestinians, or anyone on the left, has used the phrase to demand a free Palestine—as in the popular chant, “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”—those on the right have disingenuously argued that it is calling for the death of all Jewish people in Israel.

In 2021, the Palestinian-American writer Yousef Munayyer argued that those who saw genocidal ambition in the phrase, or indeed an unambiguous desire for the destruction of Israel, did so due to their own Islamophobia.

It was instead, he argued, merely a way to express a desire for a state in which “Palestinians can live in their homeland as free and equal citizens, neither dominated by others nor dominating them”.

Preventing any possibility of a Palestinian state has always been Israel’s policy, one that the settlement building in the Occupied Territories is meant to ensure. This policy has been intensified under Benjamin Netanyahu, who in January 2024 publicly vowed to resist any attempt to create a Palestinian state and to maintain Israeli control from the river to the sea.

It is often maintained that the slogan ‘From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ expresses a genocidal and antisemitic intention. But this is generally not the case. On the contrary, the slogan has historically been used to articulate a wide variety of political strategies for Palestinian liberation

Denying such demands seems as self-evident to most Israeli Jews as the air they breathe. It is this denial that has led to the dehumanization of Palestinians and has culminated in the genocidal mood that is prevailing in Israeli Jewish society today and in the assault taking place now in Gaza. This should be viewed as the real problem and not the legitimate chant of ‘from the river to the sea: Palestine will be free’.

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Both sides have innocent civillians that deserve to live on that land.

Both sides have absolute assholes that want the complete destruction of the other sides' civillians.

Fuck em both. They put up graffiti posters with ~~Israel~~ ~~Palestine~~ ~~Israel~~ Palestine is terrorism , and to me it just looks like this

[-] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

In defence of the Palestinians, they did not get to choose the ethnicity of their colonisers. And if anything, Jews have been historically protected in Arabic lands more than Christian lands.

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