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You leftist rabble-rousers with your lofty ideals of "not doing a genocide" don't know anything about getting elected and getting things done
*loses 2 elections to the most disliked president in history*
DAMN YOU PUTIN!
You gotta understand, we only had three months to distance ourselves from Biden but also didn't want to. It was the only way to make sure the donors were happy. You understand right? Stop blaming us for taking no positions and blame yourself for demanding us to take a position to secure your vote. It was a completely unreasonable ask and you knew it!
What next, you'll demand to be able to afford rent AND food on the average wage? Pick one and be grateful
One? Look at Rockefeller over here.
No one said it was fine that Harris supported Israel.
What we all said was there are only two candidates who could win the election, and they both support the genocide. We condemned the one-sided criticism, not the facts.
Since we are in a post election situation, by constantly scape goating voters, you are doing one sided criticism.
Trump helps genocide and he is a bad guy, Biden and Harris help genocide but the voters should have accepted it essentially.
If we refuse to hold the dems accountable for their actions which directly led to Trump winning, they will plot the same course for the next election.
Yes, that's the idea. No centrist wants to stop the genocide. It's not like it's something centrists do want to stop, like raising the minimum wage or universal healthcare or cannabis legalization or anything they run on.
Am I? More people voted against Trump than for him. If the third-party voters accepted that they can’t change the rigged system by voting third-party, Harris would’ve won.
If the dems had catered to voters instead of kneeling in front of a foreign apartheid state and its genocide, Harris would have won.
Politicians can choose what they represent and the platform they put forward. I don't want to have to vote for genocide so democracy can live again, I want the dems to drop their pro-genocide stance. Blaming voters is the opposite of asking for change.
Be glad those third parties exist. Those people would have spite voted for Trump instead, not for Harris.
At least they’d be forced to own their complicity instead of hiding behind a pointless action.
At the moment of voting there was only one choice which had been complicit in genocide up to that point.
Are you for real?
Trump repealed restrictions on Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory. Netanyahu was so grateful, he named a settlement after him in occupied Golan Heights. He also said Israel needs to “finish the job” and stop recording their atrocities because they’re “losing the PR war.”
What a shock that liberals care more about what Trump says than what Biden did. The Democrats fully supported Isreal "finishing the job," but you only care about it when Trump says it.
A lot of good your moral superiority is doing for the Palestinians now, huh? Upgrading the 5-ton bombs to 10-tonners, with plans to pave over the West Bank for a billionaire resort.
You really think that would’ve happened under Harris? Get real.
Also, I don’t know what liberals you’re referring to. I’m a progressive.
It's telling that you only care about symbolic bullshit like this, almost like you only care about finding moral liscense to support genocide. Isreal had all the bomb it needed under Biden; his symbolic restrictions saved exactly ZERO Palestinian lives. But you don't care about Palestinian lives, you care about symbolic acts.
Those plans were there under Biden too, you just are only willing to admit it when it's Trump doing that. In that sense, Biden was even worse; because liberals like you are genocide deniers when it's your team doing it.
Yes, 100% it would, genocide denier. The only thing that would have been different under Harris is that you would have pretended it wasn't happening, and the US would still be massacring Yemeni on behalf of Isreal.
Progressives don't support genocidal fascists.
Who said I support genocidal fascists? You’re the one who threw their vote out instead of stopping the election of the genocidal fascist. I voted for the genocidal liberal, because I understand the concept of the lesser of two evils, and know how to leverage what little say I have in this horribly corrupt and broken system.
You did.
And you actively voted for the election of genocidal fascists. And you have no idea where I live or who I voted for, so shut your lying mouth.
Centrism is when your number one policy goal is the wholesale extermination of an entire population to expand a genocidal, fascist, ethnostate.
You clearly don't, given that you only care about symbolic gestures that make you feel good, and your willing to delude yourself that the Democrats are better on Israel. You're having to actively rewrite history to make reality bend ot what you want the lesser evil to be.
Oh? And what has that accomplished? Oh, absolutely nothing? I guess you don't know how to leverage it.
You know, a serious person who claims to believe that a country is irredeemably genocidal, horribly corrupt, and broken, would conclude that the lesser evil is whatever will cause the collapse of that country the fastest. Yet you've decided that the highest priority is maintaining the US's ability to terrorize and murder the globe.
As I’ve explained elsewhere in this post, unless you want to abolish private ownership of the means of production, you’re probably a liberal. The vast majority of both Democrats and Republicans are liberals. Progressive liberals like Bernie Sanders are still liberals. Sanders will say that It’s OK to Be Angry About Capitalism, and he’ll complain about crony capitalism and über capitalism, but he’ll never question capitalism as such. He’ll never question private ownership of the means of production, in the sanctity of private property.
Almost the only people who aren’t liberals are either socialists or fascists, and even fascists believe in capitalism just as liberals do.
If we’re speaking ideally, absolutely. All non-capitalists are forced to make concessions living in a capitalist nation. I’ve been left of the democrats since the 90s. I vote for the leftmost candidate that has a chance of winning the election. Unfortunately, that’s usually the Working Families Democrat.
The same thing democrats' moral cowardice did for them.
Hey, it's the self admitted troll who has dedicated themself to stalking every single comment I make because they got big mad I said genocide denial is bad.
The were too small a demographic to listen to, but they were so influential that they're responsible for trump.
Sounds like they're kingmakers and maybe they should have been treated accordingly. But that will require belatedly abandoning support for genocide, so centrists never will.
Actually a huge number of people said it was fine that Harris supported Israel, as well as a huge number who engaged in heavy denialism about Harris' support of genocide.
Yeah, Joe Biden and Donald Trump, I remember.
A Democrat or a Republican. Welcome to the United States. Select one of the two or one will be selected for you.
*Select one and one will be selected for you anyway
It’s that type of flawless, disengaging thought that brought you the Trump administration. Twice. Maybe try something different to get the 90M eligible voters to show up?
Shocking idea but I do not give a shit about the Democrats, maybe they should be trying to appeal to voters rather than the other way around? Oh wait, they cant because as the saying goes your vote doesn't matter unless you buy it in advance.
"It's the voters vault we ran a terrible right wing candidate."
Democrats moved too far to the right.
The right didn't buy it but the left did. Progressives and leftists tried to warn you but the party did what it wanted anyway, secure in the knowledge that they had plenty of people who will blame the voters if that's what it takes to never listen to them.
EDIT: typo
I saw a ton of people that tried to say Kamala would be better without any actual evidence of that.
Do you think she would’ve upgraded the 5-ton bombs to 10-ton bombs, and provided bulldozers to turn the West Bank into a billionaire resort too?
According to recent reports stating that Biden never applied any pressure to israel, and considering she never made herself different than him on israel, I have no doubt if they asked she would have.
If you never said that harris shouldn't be supporting genocide, you never encountered it.