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Yes, a free Palestine ranging "from the river to the sea" while at the very same time -just like Israel- staunchly rejecting the idea of a two-state solution is exactly that.
Out of the two insane and genocidal sides of that conflict none can claim moral superiority.
(For reference: see §2 of the Hamas charter that clearly defines the borders of their "free Palestine" that covers 100% of Israel, West Bank and Gaza...)
How does reinstate Palestinian land for displaced Palestinians equate to an exterminate jews though? I don’t doubt that Hamas has that view but the those words alone does not mean that.
You could argue it’s a dog whistle for antisemitism, but historically there has been many different groups with visions for what a one-state solution could look like.
Israel is helping settlers settle in Palestinian territories, forcefully pushing way Palestinian and destroying their homes withe help of the Israeli military.
You are still trying to justify Palestinian calls for a genocide with Israel's genocidal actions.
So I will repeat again:
I do not justify genocide. Palestinians don’t call for genocide as doesn’t Israelis. Some or many might. Israel as a state are currently committing genocide on a people that they’ve displaced historically and continue to displace. Hamas might be calling for genocide too but Hamas is not the state of Palestine.
No they are fucking not. That's your bad faith twisting of their writing. You're not discussing in good faith.
And also THERE ARE NO JUST 2 SIDES HERE. THERE ARE 3 SIDES. THE INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNISED PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY EXISTS AND THE ISRAELIS ARE DOING EVERYTHING TO DELEGITIMIZE IT.
A Free Ireland did not mean a genocide of Protestants. A Free South Africa did not mean a genocide of Afrikaners. A Free Ukraine does not mean a genocide of Russians.
A Free Palestine does not have to mean a genocide of Israelis.
If you have given up on humanity, or if you somehow believe that Arabs are incapable of universalism, that's nothing but a failure of your own moral ambition.
PS. Palestine is not Hamas. There is an internationally recognized Palestinian Authority that has actually recognized the 2 State Solution, that IS a potential partner for peace for Israel, that DOES do its best to manage extremism in the areas it controls. The same Palestinian Authority is being ratfucked over every step of the way by Israel. Undermined, delegitimized, made to look ineffective, ignored, silenced, provoked. Its lands being colonized, its people brutalized, its economy stifled, its resources stolen, its contiguity fractured, even its olive fucking trees cut. Every step of the way. Israeli settlers bullying, killing, rioting, and the Israeli army protecting them, the Israeli courts rubber stamping their crimes. If you're looking for a sane party to the conflict, look at the PA. Because this is what Palestine without Hamas looks like.
Because it's not a free Ukraine that insists on covering 100% of Russia's territory.
The last election was held 19 years ago. Hamas clearly won with 76 out of 132 seats. Pretending that the Palestinian Authority is somehow speaking for Palestinians because they say the stuff you want to hear is rediculous wishful thinking.
You don't need to delegitimize people on year 19 of a 4 year term where they actually lost...
About 30% of the people in Ukraine have Russian add their native language, that's what I meant. Putin has used then as an excuse to take territory.
Part of the ratfucking is precisely destroying the capacity of a society to function as a democracy. Create a situation of constant anomaly in which elections cannot meaningfully take place. Them criticize whoever is trying to do anything moderate as illegitimate. All the while you keep using these excuses to push through a radical expansion of settlements. How can you have free elections under apartheid? Saying otherwise is either ignorance or hypocrisy.