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Just looked what it would cost if you get caught doing that here in the Netherlands, answer: 159 euros. Good, but should be higher.
As all fines, it should be income adjusted. I wanna see a 5000€ fine when some rich asshole does this.
Adjusted to the initial sale value of the car - Less easy to cheat by not declaring income, and bigger cars (likely more expensive) that take up more space, pay more.
This fails to scale into the millionaire level of wealth. Someone worth 10 or 100 million should be fined 10-100 times the amount of someone that has "just" 1 Million.
Also, realistically there is a cap to the value of a car that someone is gonna just leave parked in a bus lane.
Nobody is going to leave a $40 million Ferrari 250 just sitting somewhere after all
Yeah thats what i meant. A billionaire might drive a sub 100k car.
I agree with that, but can immediately see a loophole in it - that some rich folks are not reporting actual income.
It should be income adjusted up to a certain income amount where it becomes net worth adjusted. This way stocks, land, properties and possessions can be calculated in to make the fines more impactful for the ultra wealthy.
Along with adjustments for not changing behaviors after previous fines.
Yeah. It’s kind of ignorant to expect the same fine for say a disabled person unable to work who scrapes by on 900 euros a month vs a super wealthy person on 500k euros a year.
Fines shouldn’t really exist anyways. When for one person they’re a random expense that doesn’t even bat an eye vs for another person it means no food for a week.
Even progressive fines are unfair. In that for someone who barely affords food every week losing 2% of your monthly income is devastating. While for a rich person they won’t even notice losing 2% of their income.
The rich stay rich by not spending money. They'll be devastated losing 2% of their income on a fine.
What would be the alternative though? Jail would be a bit harsh for a parking violation, and all other punishments I can think of would also be unfair to some people.
Until we get rid of the rich, any punishment will be somewhat biased. But not punishing misdemeanors at all would not really be an option either.
Multiple time offenders should see harsher penalties regardless of what their income is.
Take away their license. If they drive without a license, then they should go to jail.
Being a parent or being disabled is no excuse for multiple parking violations. If you don't know the law or aren't patient enough to follow them, then don't drive. Driving is a privileged, not a right.
Not even progressively larger fines, up to jail time and having your driving licence and car forefeited are proportionate - this still disproportionately affects those less well-off.
Perhaps civil asset and "rights" forefeiture for the rich could be a better solution. With rights I don't mean human rights, but stuff like being allowed to ride in a car at all (since being rich enough you can hire a chauffeur, even losing your licence isn't a big deal and you can always rent a car or buy a new one multiplr times over). How this would be implemented (enforced) I don't know, but it should work. If course it should only be applied to people blatantly disregarding basic civility in traffic and those who don''t need the car
Fuck a fine. Take their licence and impound their car until they've passed a written test.
Remember this one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1759791.stm