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Germany's spy agency BfV has labeled the entirety of the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party as an extremist entity.

The BfV domestic intelligence agency, which is in charge of safeguarding Germany's constitutional order, said the announcement comes after an "intense and comprehensive" examination.

"The ethnicity-and ancestry-based conception of the people that predominates within the party is not compatible with the free democratic order," the BfV said on Friday.

Hopefully this inspires the other parties to to start the process to see the AfD banned. I know the report might not look like much, because of how obvious the findings are. But previous attempts at banning them have failed because such an official report was missing. So maybe our political system starts getting its shit together.

As we say in Germany: Hope dies last

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[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 months ago

I am so sick and tired of people using the Gaza genocide as an excuse for political action or inaction in their own countries without any evidence that their preferred option changes anything about the Gaza genocide. Isn't it enough that you people got Trump elected in the US by implying that somehow Kamala Harris would do less against it than the literal admirer of dictators?

[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Agree. Also, Gaza has been an issue for decades and theres other genocides currently happening, i genuinely dont understand the laser focus on Gaza when our own Latino and Native American populations are being genocided by our own actual government. These people freak out over housing and food in Gaza while ignoring the homelessness and starvation crisis here. They donate to (likely completely fake, set up by Israel or other countries) Gaza while walking past homeless people here with absolutely no shame. They wear merch and bracelets and scarves to show support of Gaza and moral superiority, while they ignore the homeless here at a broad level. Homelessness is genocide of the poor and disabled.

Yes, Gaza is an issue and has been for decades. Any genocide or intentional faminine is absolutely wrong. It's been wrong for a while. I remember talking about Israel with Jewish friends in 2009 and it was considered a pretty obscure geopolitical topic for the US then (most average citizens didnt know or have an opinion).

But right now it's literally a psyop to trick young and gullible people into being against Kamala so Trump would be elected. Trump is friends with Netanyahu and was his preferred candidate. Like Iran Contra, Netanyahu deliberately sabotaged the hostage deals and ceasefires to elect Trump, and the Gaza saviors (many fake bots from India, Iran, and Russia*) ate the bait. Now that he doesnt need them, they are being rounded up, unless they espouse anti-Jewish, pro-Nazi rhetoric - he needs Nazis so Russia can have an excuse to invade Alaska/the US. The Nazi excuse is the same reason Russia invaded Ukraine. They are trying to justify WW3 with same excuses as WW2, and they need public sentiment to be on their side so they have to set up a narrative.

BRICS is trying to usurp western power and start their own currency that will be gold back, precious metals backed, and oil backed, and perhaps human backed (eg organs, hair, slaves, started w Uyghers).

[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago

Russia figured out Gaza is enough to divide the left with infighting, that's partly why they encouraged the hamas attack in the first place to take attention away from Ukraine.

And we fell for it like morons.

[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

It's probably more that each BRICS nation was originally promised something big in this plan, usually related to gold which is mainly what BRICS currency will be backed with along with oil and other precious metals.

  • Russia wants all land the Arctic ocean touches, plus access to other seas/ports, plus precious metals and oils in those lands (Canada produces a LOT of gold).

  • India (joined later) wants the gold in the Indus river between it and Pakistan.

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/pakistan-hits-gold-mine-rs-80-000-crore-reserves-found-in-indus-river-bed-as-nation-eyes-major-milestone-11741014559732.html

  • China has "found" massive gold deposits recently too in their country, but my guess is they want Taiwan, South China Sea rights at minimum plus main control of the management of the BRICS currency and banks. China also likely has accurate gold maps of the US west coast, because Chinese miners came during the gold rush to get it, they were all over mapping it etc. Not that old mining claims are a secret per se (plus we have public USGS maps now), but it is hard to know if they really did get the gold from those claims or if they stole it and laundered it through a gold claim (common). So China likely has their own records of where gold is. That's why Trump wants to log the national parks/forests - they are all in areas with lots of gold (and mercury injected into ground to get it, water contamination), logging is the first step to mining.

-Iran likely WANTS some kind of war in the middle east for dominance. They have to make the Israelis look like Nazis if they want to take that area over. They have to have justification for it or the world will be upset and start sanctioning etc. Plus, Abraham accords, UAE, Saudi Arabia, are all financially threatening to not just Iran, but the world, due to their wealth and how they accumulate it.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/13/iran-bets-big-on-gold-as-it-weathers-trump-turmoil

https://thepaypers.com/cryptocurrencies/russia-and-iran-want-to-launch-a-gold-backed-stablecoin--1259892

https://www.tronweekly.com/gold-backed-stablecoins-could-rival-usd-tokens/

[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago

Gaza is what the Russians decided would pacify the left with infighting.

It's been a miracle, it won them the US in 2024 and is ranking up more wins left and right.

We'll have camps and ovens for homosexuals and brown people throughout the west, while leftist children still scream 'but I can't do anything because it might support the democrats!'

Dark Helmet was right, evil will always win, because good is stupid.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

First, this really jumped out from your post:

you people got Trump elected

Perfect illustration of somebody who mentally reduces other human beings from persons into groups.

The curious thing is that somebody who thinks like that about human beings is pushing a "nothing we can do about it with certainty, let's not talk about the Gaza Genocide"...

Second: how exactly does the political system in the US make this behaviour of the German authorities and political class any less hypocrite? In fact, how does it at all relate given that Germany has a mixed system including a Proportional Vote component, so totally different from the US?

Third: What's exactly is your point? Because that exact argument structure can justify closing your eyes and make believe it ain't happening for everything bad :

  • Gaza Genocide: "no evidence that their preferred option changes anything about it"
  • Environmental destruction: "no evidence that their preferred option changes anything about it"
  • Fascism; "no evidence that their preferred option changes anything about it"
  • Poverty: "no evidence that their preferred option changes anything about it"

Best just give up on politics altogether to stop evil-doing! How convenient for the evil-doers.

[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago

Perfect illustration of somebody who mentally reduces other human beings from persons into groups.

Yes, I consider all the people who argue "the Gaza genocide should be the most important political issue of our time in every country of the world" one group, namely the group of people who bring it up in every political discussion everywhere.

The curious thing is that somebody who thinks like that about human beings is pushing a “nothing we can do about it with certainty, let’s not talk about the Gaza Genocide”…

The curious thing is that somebody who complains about the genocide why the extremist right wing party in Israel keeps derailing discussions on how to prevent extremist right wing parties from gaining power in other countries too.

Second: how exactly does the political system in the US make this behaviour of the German authorities and political class any less hypocrite? In fact, how does it at all relate given that Germany has a mixed system including a Proportional Vote component, so totally different from the US?

The common theme between Germany and the US is both countries are in various stages of a struggle of right wing extremists gaining power while at the same time the political discussion on how to stop that is sabotaged by people bringing up the Gaza genocide as if any of the options would change anything about the Gaza genocide in the slightest. Will the Gaza genocide be any more or less likely if we do or do not ban the AfD in Germany? No, it won't, so shut up about it in the context of this discussion and stop trying to derail it.

Best just give up on politics altogether to stop evil-doing! How convenient for the evil-doers.

Can't do that, then you would have succeeded in your goal of allowing them to come into power.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yes, I consider all the people who argue “the Gaza genocide should be the most important political issue of our time in every country of the world” one group, namely the group of people who bring it up in every political discussion everywhere.

Please point out exactly were I said that "Gaza genocide should be the most important political issue of our time in every country of the world"

Beyond that:

  • I'm making the point, repeatedly, that politicians building support at home for their policies of supporting far-right extremism abroad (which is what Israel - an ethno-Fascist white colonialist nation with Appartheid constitutionally enshrined - is as is it's ultra-racist Genocide in Gaza) is tightly related to the growth of far-right extremism at home because to do the former means spreading the way of viewing the world of the far-right hence it boosts the latter.
  • Your whole point is "if you go after one of those things you stop the other thing from being addressed", which implies that those things are totally unrelated, plus it relies on the ridiculous falacy that people cannot deal with more than one problem at the same time.

Your point relies on the notion that repeated and overt statements in favour of Racial Descrimination (which is exactly what people like Schulz do when they say that "Germany unwaveringly supports the Jewish Nation" to justify sending weapons to Israel to carry on executing their Genocide) somehow don't embolden Racists to think that "Racism is ok" and hence that those criticizing the former somehow, magically, are derrailing the fight against the latter.

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