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Dont Ever Listen To Those Who Claim "Voting is Pointless" (lemmy.ca)

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[-] kittenzrulz123 2 points 1 day ago

People dont hold the Republicans to any real standard because we all agree they're just cartoonishly evil. Democrats can be critiqued because they have an actural ideology that can be pinned down (which I very strongly disagree with). Republicans meanwhile don't really belive in anything of substance, they sorta just hate people and blindly eat up corporate propaganda (hell they call themselves conservatives yet their definition of conservative values are basically defined exclusively as whatever the hell Reagan did)

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

And in your view, is it better for America to have a Democrat in the Whitehouse or not really?

[-] kittenzrulz123 2 points 1 day ago

Better is a strange choice of words here, better compared to what? Better compared to Republicans? Better compared to the Social Democratic parties of Canada and Europe? Or better compared to a real workers party? Because so far it seems like you have done nothing but attempt to twist my words to make up your own preconceived conclusions about leftists that has very little basis in reality.

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

I think you'll find that I've mainly been asking you questions rather than misquoting you, but OK.

I thought it was very very clear indeed what the two alternatives were for who is in the Whitehouse, and I'm sure we'd agree that they're are theoretically much, much better alternatives like actual left wing parties, but no, I wasn't asking you a theoretical question about parties that had no chance of winning in the USA at all, I was asking you about the real world. I'll try again.

In your view, is it better for America to have a Democrat in the Whitehouse than a Republican, or not really?

Would it have been materially better for Harris to win rather than trump?

Would it have been better for Biden to win than trump?

[-] kittenzrulz123 2 points 23 hours ago

I essentially already answered your questions so you know what ill reject your false dichotomy. I reject the entire premise that I have to pick between fascism and fascism lite, between one capitalist and a slightly better capitalist. This system is fundamentally designed to strip all power away from the workers and into the capitalists. Liberal Democracy is democracy by and for the capitalist class.

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

I was especially amused at the characterisation of the only two real world choices for president as a false dichotomy! You're so living the stereotype of an ivory tower theoretical communist.

Now that we've been all around the houses and you've evaded the real life D vs R question literally every time I asked it, I'll just put my original point here:

I have the feeling that you would be inclined to deny the distinction between the Biden presidency and the trump presidency that followed it.

I don't think you've proved me wrong in any meaningful way whatsoever.

You are unable to coherently make any genuine criticism of Mr Trump without watering it down to the extent you can switch blame onto Biden or the Democratic Party for it.

This is not because there aren't extraordinarily stark differences, nor that you're unaware of them, but because you refuse, despite evidence to the contrary, to shift from your belief that in politics there is black and there is white and there exists no grey.

Maybe someday you'll realise that the real world isn't perfect and that if it were, we wouldn't need socialism or communism in politics anyway! Maybe you'll realise that awful comes in different degrees as well as different flavours.

[-] kittenzrulz123 2 points 14 hours ago

I was especially amused at the characterisation of the only two real world choices for president as a false dichotomy!

Yes because that does not NEED to be the case. We do not need a corrupt Democrat party to wave their fingers at us and demand we vote for them. Democrats like Bernie Sanders and AOC are starting to understand but the Revolutionary Communists of America (RCA) have the true solution.

I have the feeling that you would be inclined to deny the distinction between the Biden presidency and the trump presidency that followed it.

Which one? You mean the one that gave almoat unrestricted weapons to Israels genocide? The one that watched people starve on the street while bragging about GDP growth? The one that gave hand outs to his corporate buddies in DC? Or the one that deported immigrants and refugees? Because that has been both

You are unable to coherently make any genuine criticism of Mr Trump without watering it down to the extent you can switch blame onto Biden or the Democratic Party for it

Because what Trump is doing isnt new, fundemntally its a natural continuation of Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Biden. War criminals who brag to us about morality.

This is not because there aren't extraordinarily stark differences, nor that you're unaware of them, but because you refuse, despite evidence to the contrary, to shift from your belief that in politics there is black and there is white and there exists no grey.

When the options are black and a very dark shade of grey with a massive label "at least im not that other guy" there is very little difference. Biden enabled Trump, the Democrat party normalized fascist rhetoric through "civility" politics, and now theyre going even further to the right. Just because Biden did the act of the reasonable kind liberal doesn't make him any less ruthless.

Maybe someday you'll realise that the real world isn't perfect

I aint asking for a perfect Anarcho-Syndicalist Utopia (as much as I would greatly like that), im asking for a future ANY future beyond this insanity. You may have the privilege to say that but your Liberal "imperfection" is whats directly threatening the lives of myself, my friends, and my family. When Democrats refuse to counter Transphobic Republican narratives I directly see more hatred directed towards me. When Democrats give unlimited funding to Israels genocide I see more antisemitism directed at me. As much as I strongly dislike Bernie Sanders and AOC (Im far left and they're centrist) I would be more than happy to vote for them.

So my point is im a leftist and I belive in leftist unity, I will vote for any leftist on the ballet whether it be a communist, a socialist, a syndicalist, or even a social Democrat (which is not even leftist) but after voting Kamala in 2024 I have gotten sick and tired and I will not vote for Fascism Lite again.

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

So, basically, everything I said was true about you. I wonder why you spend all this time and effort trying to sound otherwise. Why not just say "of course" at the start? Or even "I see no real moral distinction between Biden/Harris and literal fascism, and will always find ways to blame Democrats for the evils of trump" it would have saved so much disagreeing with me.