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Do you also think it should be the law for car manufacturers to provide seatbelts? If you don't, then you've got an even worse take
Wearing a seatbelt should 100% be the law. It affects others, you're just doing mental gymnastics to pretend it doesn't.
If you didn't mandate seatbelt usage it would take up extra valuable hospital resources, extra valuable emergency response resources, and simply expose more people to death of someone they know.
Go live outside of society, if you truly feel this way. Honestly.
Take your downvotes as a small microcosm that the vast majority of society is not with you on this, and maybe reconsider.
Manufacturers should be required to provide seatbelts. Failure to do so affects others negatively.
If we continue to not mandate healthy eating habits, easily preventable diseases will continue to take up extra valuable hospital resources, extra valuable emergency response resources, and simply expose more people to death of someone they know. Outlaw high BMI now!
Lemmy is a combination of control-obsessed tankies and nanny state libs - of course I'm getting downvotes. Fortunately, I'd rather be right than popular, and I guarantee you that someone read my comments here and realized for the first time just how ridiculous and hypocritical seatbelt laws are. They probably still downvoted, because accepting that what you've always been told is incorrect is difficult, but the seed will have been planted.
It's much easier to wear and police seatbelts, and totally worth it. If you could feasibility do the same for high BMI, yeah, that'd be great, but they're not really comparable. The imposition on the individual would far outweigh the benefit to society.
Seatbelts? Wooooooow, must be so hard to put it on, right? Such an effort!! Seriously, what a whinge.
People who whinge about the "nanny state" really need to get a grip.
The cost to your "freedom" here is negligible, whereas the benefits are undeniable.
Seriously, get a grip.
Edit to add: from Australia. So don't lump me in with your right-wing liberals
You can't be serious. It's far easier to police high BMI, since it's much more obvious and way easier to spot fat people in public who are a danger to themselves (and to that healthcare system you're so concerned about) than a small strip of fabric at a distance through the windshield of a moving vehicle.
Wow, "we should have cops police BMI" is definitely not the argument I was expecting. You clearly are Australian.
You're so close! Soooo close! Just dust off that brain and try to follow the breadcrumbs!
Then it should have been super easy for someone in this thread to name one, and yet...
Oh, I'm not, trust me. I'm lumping you in with one of the absolute worst countries for personal liberties in the free world. Seriously Australia, get a grip.
Right, the imposition to you putting a seatbelt is so high, it outweighs all we've discussed?
You're out of touch, bud.
And yeah, if somehow we could help people not be morbidly obese, that'd would be great. Just listen to people in their position, no one is seriously suggesting (well, sane people) that being morbidly obese is pleasant. And "enforcing" it would be ridiculous, what, surveil people at every meal? This is a strawman argument. What's the equivalent we do for seat belts? Speed cameras sometimes snapping someone not wearing one. Police officers seeing you not doing it. It's pretty minor. People just do it. It doesn't need much enforcement.
Partially yeah, because it's the law.
Have you been to countries where it isn't the law, or hasn't been law long? I have, funnily enough, they have much less of the habit as a society (where it hasn't been law to wear seatbelts in the back seats). That translates into children not doing it either or getting the habit to. I have to remind people to wear one.
I don't have to do this in Australia, where it's been law for decades. We all just do it. Partially from very hands off enforcement.
I'm not even sure why I'm trying to convince you though.
You're a lost cause if you're whinging about seatbelts. And then digging your heels in, coming up with ridiculous strawman arguments like policing BMI.
Don't come to Australia, you'd be a liability to the voter base.