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Trump: "I'm gonna do it anyway."
Supremes: "Okay daddy"
This is literally the opposite of what they just ruled. They supported the injunction 7-2. The district court would be charging them with contempt, not SCOTUS.
That's still missing the point of he's gonna do it anyways....
Then the parties involved will be charged with contempt of court. Courts are slow. There are many steps to this process. If you want this done quickly, convince the loyalist Republicans in Congress to vote against his executive order. Defeatism is actionless criticism.
They had 4 fucking years to do something.
Look where that got us...
I'm not American, but as a Canadian even I have my pitchfork and cocktail ready.
You don’t understand the urgency behind active checks and balances to maintain a government’s function and a criminal prosecution case of a former president.
This can’t be swept under the rug or pushed out on a calendar like the former.
Active checks and balances are in shambles and the constitution is being used as toilet paper.
Judges that try to hold the administration accountable for anything are being ignored and labeled "activist judges"
The House let the "No Rogue Rulings" act pass onto the senate. If they pass it, it legitimatizes administration's decision to ignore lower court orders.
Republicans are scared of speaking out or acting against Trump.
The administration is trying to weaponize the IRS against educational institutions that don't fall into line.
The administration is actively weaponizing withholding funding (which is congress' domain) to make organizations fall into line.
Musk is dismantling social services while lining his own pockets and feeding government data and PII into his company's LLM.
People are being kidnapped out of their cars and homes by ICE and sent to a concentration camp with zero oversight.
ICE is going to schools and trying to take people's kids to lure out their parents.
Citizens are being "accidentally" kidnapped by ICE.
People who refuse to kiss the ring in various leadership positions are being ousted and replaced with loyalists.
Even if the Supreme Court, House, and Senate all grow spines and try to do something, Trump and co are going to ignore it. That's what happens when a "dictator on day one" is voted into office.
You seem to have the criticism down, but where is the proposed action? What do you suggest we do?
Doing what you're doing and protesting, calling Republican representatives, and voicing an opinion is the only civilized path forward if that's still even possible. Republican Party members have to turn on Trump, Vance, and The Heritage Foundation/Project 2025 if there's going to be any chance of a peaceful resolution to their path of destruction. As long as he's protected by the party line and insulated from impeachment, he's going nowhere.
I don't think asking the courts to do anything is the answer, however. Trump's government has proven that they don't give a single shit about what the judiciary has to say. They're happy to ignore orders and they receive zero consequences for doing so. The only court they might consider listening to, the Supreme Court, is filled with Republican judges and judges Trump personally put there. They're as good as useless, and they helped create the problem with their ruling giving sitting presidents immunity from any consequences of vaguely-defined "official acts".
I agree. That’s why I wrote that SCOTUS ruling to uphold the stay is reassuring.
I appreciate the optimism, but I really don't think they're going to listen to this one. SCOTUS rulings without clearly defined and severe consequences for both the administration and members of the administration are effectively toothless. Without those being up-front and the court prepared to act upon immediately, Trump's administration is free to ignore the ruling and carry out their plans while the court spends time fighting amongst itself internally about how to respond. By the time they come up with something and act on it, it's too late and likely too much of a slap on the wrist to be an effective deterrent.
I italicized the word "might" in my last comment for a reason, unfortunately. The Supreme Court can be a threat to the Trump administration, but they need to be organized, unified, ready to act, and unwilling to pull punches. If they're going to be effective, they have to be prepared and willing to respond to and immediately shut down the "shock and awe" tactic being used. No waiting, no delaying, no debating. That's what the administration is counting on to get away with their bullshit: the courts not being fast enough to stop them while also not being harsh enough to actually punish the individuals in its leadership with personal consequences.
On a darker note, if the SCOTUS ever does get their shit together and do that, it's probably going to lead to another January 6 the first time it happens. I can't see Trump accept being blocked by the court and punished without crying to his cult about "an attempted coup by the Supreme Court."
All they did was uphold the injunction from the lower court. Boasberg would be the one to hold them in contempt for violating the injunction. They have no more room to appeal.
That's kind of the problem I'm getting at.
If the Supreme Court isn't stepping in and threatening real, immediate consequences laid out by themselves, Trump and friends are pretty much free to ignore it. They don't respect lower courts, and they're insulated from consequences handed out by lower courts anyway.
If Boasberg wants to hold them in contempt, what can actually be done? Consequences applied to them as a collective mean nothing (they'll just ignore them again), so the only thing that can actually scare them is seeing personal consequences like asset seizure or jail time.
Suppose they are threatened with jail time, though. They have a complicit SCOTUS protecting them as individuals. The Supreme Court would step in and either take four years to decide whether that specific punishment is warranted/justified/allowed, say the lower court doesn't have the authority to punish an individual member of the administration for the actions of the entire administration, or any other manner of bullshit excuse.
The punishment has to come from the Supreme Court, and it has to be something that the members of the administration are actually scared of. Anything other than that is all bark and no bite.
Edit: Bad explanation on my part.
I seem to recall a line from some tattered old piece of parchment... I think it begins with "when a long train of abuses and usurpations..."
I recommend reading until the word "security". In fact, I'm pretty sure that it has something to say about what it is our duty to do...
There is no such thing as active checks and balances anymore. That whole system is, as we speak, being actively proven to be completely meaningless.
Clearly you don't understand that violence is needed here.
I'm not saying it should be swept under the rug. I'm saying it's time to take to the streets and SHOW what you want.
The only language they'll listen to now is violonce.
Trump has already said he's not returning the wrongly deported person. Why would he suddenly start listening to the courts?
EDIT: also fuck you for letting people die in foreign labour camps while your "wheels of justice turn". People will are being kidnapped now. They're gonna die too unless we do something NOW.
Be my guest. I’m non-violent, and our system has yet to fail. That doesn’t mean it can’t, but I’m not accepting defeat until then.
He said that, and now his administration is facing a contempt of court hearing on the 23rd. The presiding judge preemptively stated that he will appoint an attorney to enforce his order if the DoJ refuses to do so.
Trump bluffs. He’s a bullshitter. Harvard called him on it and now he’s saying the letter was sent in error. He can’t talk his way out of this.
It's already failed.
Cool, then you go ahead and storm the Capitol. I have faith in the courts.
And how many more people will be shipped off while the courts "work"?
To El Salvador? Zero, according to this final appeal attempt. They’re still deporting people to other nations.
Had people not abandoned Democrats at the polls in November, Congress could’ve already stopped this. Their action is much faster than the judiciary.
And how many shipped off to internally prisons.
This is why the rest of the western world is working to leave the US behind. Because ACTUAL harm is being done and your still going "we need more time".
You don't have more time. The rest of the world is screaming this at you, and you still don't get it.
No one outside of the US cares about who voted for who. We can't. We just fucking can't because at the end of the day your elected president is threating the sovereignty of all other Western aligned countries. We don't have that luxury anymore. Stop pretending you do.
I’m not telling anyone how to react. I said I am non-violent and have faith in the courts. I will continue protesting, messaging and calling my congresspeople. You do you.
Good for you. It's not enough.
Do you want a cookie?
Because my country so going to be invaded otherwise.
Not if it comes with a side of condescension. Why are you so worried about my actions? Aren’t you a capable person?
I've been pretty clear as to why.
Your inaction is not only getting other people hurt, my country is going to be invaded.
I am capable. And I'm ready to fucking fight you if I have to.
Good for you. I’m disabled, so that’s not a choice I get to make for myself. I have to rely on the system that I’ve heavily invested my time and money into for the last 25 years.
Why not help make a system that actually just you know, takes care of you? Instead of being lucky and privileged enough to have savings....
When I say you, I mean more than you specifically. Because we're all tired of having this conversation with Americans.
The whole, it's not all of us, someone if us are doing a little.
We don't care. We don't get the luxury of differentiating the two when threats of sovereignty are at stake.
The system broke when it failed to prosecute trump. It's already broken. We no longer have faith in your system, regardless of how much you do. It needs to be toppled and try again.
Go ahead. I’m not stopping you. I’m not even criticizing you for a difference of opinion, even though you seem very insistent on trying to change mine.
Because believe it or not, MY life on the line here too bud..
And that information should change my ability to fight in what way? God you’re an arrogant one.
Defeatism may be useless criticism but we’re living in a world where misplaced optimism may be deadly. What are you advocating for here? The person you’re responding to is almost certainly correct in their assessment of what will happen next, and that seems worth discussing.
I find your response confusing.
I’m advocating realism through comprehension of the situation. SCOTUS has twice now upheld the federal court orders regarding these deportations. The concern about the judiciary not having their own enforcement arm is negotiable through a court appointed attorney, a writ to law enforcement, or by deputizing in the most extreme case.
This doesn’t mean he can’t pardon those involved, but that would be an outright admission of guilt, and most certainly prompt the revolution that everyone seems to be so hungry for.
You still don’t get it. These ruling DO NOT MATTER if they are not enforced, and they will not be.
Do you honestly think a high US court is going to deputize some random people to go and arrest members of the Trump administration?
What exactly do you think is going to happen from this point?
Courts ARE slow! And that's the loop hole people with shit loads of money use to make sure they are never punished.
They just Lawyer up with the most expensive ones they can find, then ask them every way they can contest the court. Then they pay to contest it.
Often waiting years for sentencing. Where in that time they get the laws changed and make favors so when you are sentenced, it's a get out of jail free card.
Sometimes the Epstein way. Who ran a child porn and trafficking empire for decades and never served justice, nor will any of his clients.
Courts will remain slow as long as those who are paid most are great at slowing things down for their clients.
Like a President with 34 felonies and no sentencing. Or the same president committing the largest single national security breach in all of American history and will never see trial.
I want to believe in our court system. Because it was nice to feel like Justice was neutral and fair.
But over the last 2 decades I've seen dumptrucks of crime dissolve American society, and little to no punishment from a court too slow to fight all the money evil people now have.
In 2008, there was a financial crisis that the media says was handled well. Except the system that was to be put in place to monitor fruad, the CAT system, has had its implementation delayed until 2024. When it started to finally, finally be used to monitor tlfinancial errors. And there were billions.
Then the Trump admin delayed it's necessity until 2027.
19 years later. A fix for the problem in Wallstreet from 2008. In that time, they just got better at hiding what they're doing. And now it's another house of cards that Trumps too much of an idiot to keep standing.
That's not justice. That's a joke.
Guess what department handles justice and creating charges.....?
The SCOTUS only has the ability on paper to interpret the law ..not enforce