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Netanyahu lashes out at Carney for daring to criticize him (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 8 months ago by CowsLookLikeMaps@sh.itjust.works to c/canada@lemmy.ca

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[-] ninthant@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 months ago

The only people using human shields are the IDF

This is unquestionably false.

You can make an extremely compelling argument about the horrors that the govt of Israel and the IDF are doing without resorting to obvious falsehoods made in defence of Hamas.

I’m not saying we need to adopt some “all sides bad” enlightened centrism bullshit. If you want to focus only on the atrocities of the govt of Israel because that’s your passion: go for it. Call them out for what they are.

But please don’t defend Hamas or pretend they aren’t also committing atrocities. They do use human shields, constantly. And the atrocities done by Hamas do not take away from the absolute horrors of what the government of Israel is actively committing.

When these falsehoods emerge, it makes the argument against Israel appear delusional and undercuts your implied objective. And it’s not necessary! There is so much widespread harm that we can point to, we don’t need spread falsehoods for that.

[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 12 points 8 months ago

Bruh it’s happened so much there’s an Israeli High Court case that specifically forbids the practice. Hasn’t prevented the practice, there are multiple documented instances, from different conflicts, that the Jewish group B’Tslem has a white paper on just the subject of IDF using human shields:

…soldiers have ordered Palestinians to:

-enter buildings to check if they are booby-trapped, or to remove the occupants

-remove suspicious objects from roads used by the army

-stand inside houses where soldiers have set up military positions, so that Palestinians will not fire at the soldiers

-walk in front of soldiers to shield them from gunfire, while the soldiers hold a gun behind their backs and sometimes fire over their shoulders.

The soldiers in the field did not initiate this practice; rather, the use of human shields is an integral part of the orders they receive.

[-] ninthant@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago

I am not saying that Israel and the IDF have not used human shields. They absolutely do and you’re 100% correct to condemn this. And I join you in this condemnation.

What am also saying is that people should stop lying in order to defend Hamas. Because you can condemn the govt of Israel without doing that. And the condemnation is more compelling when it’s not accompanied with lies of convenience.

Your comment here being a good example of how that’s done properly. Everything you said is true and it paints a damning picture that is impossible to argue against.