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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Most Marxists do not uncritically support Russia, though opposition to the Nationalists like Azov in Ukraine is something common on the Left, and believe Russia's anti-US stance is beneficial for the Global South (see the string of African liberation movements in the past few years). Most Marxists can agree that the Uyghur people have been placed in re-education camps, but most do not believe they are being systemically murdered en masse like many people report. Most Marxists think the DPRK is doing surprisingly well for a country under extreme embargoes and was subject to more tons of bombs than the pacific front in World War II, not that it would be preferable to live there than in a highly developed country free from those problems.

[-] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Maybe they should stop playing devils advocate for Russia in general, If you have to have a conversation about the Genocidal Mob state, and throw a bunch of ifs, ands, or buts in the discussion. You're already stoking trouble.

America can be bad, and Russia can be equally bad in the same instance.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 months ago

Russia is not a global Hegemon. Even if it wanted to be as bad as the US, it physically can't do nearly the damage the US does on a daily basis.

[-] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Oh, sorry, I forgot. They only practice corruption, warmongering, barbaric mass murder and ethnocide on a regional scale. I apologize

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago

The US does it on a global scale, which is worse in my opinion.

[-] Irelephant@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

Most of the people you are talking about, are not who I am referring to in the post.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago

I am talking about the majority of the people people on Lemmy call "tankies." Not everyone has your specific view and nuance of the word, yet when others see you use it to describe people, they think of the worst nightmare of McCarthy. It's better to not use the word at all, unless you want to antagonize Marxists in general, because that's what Marxists see it as.

[-] Irelephant@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

What do you recommend I use instead?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago

My recommendation is to either refrain from using it, or use it with the knowledge that it's just an anti-communist pejorative. I don't recommend trying to claim you aren't an anti-Communist while using the modern version of "pinko," when everyone hears it as such.

My biggest recommendation, though, is to just visit places you feel are "tankie" and try to ask questions in good faith. Make a Hexbear account, and participate in the general megathread, browse the news mega, or just lurk, and then you'll get a better view of what these "tankies" are actually like when they aren't in an environment hostile to them and dedicated to misrepresenting their words at every instance.

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