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IRS braces for $500bn drop in revenue as taxpayers skip filings in wake of DOGE cuts
(www.independent.co.uk)
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Taxation is theft, so not paying them is fine by me. But if you're going to do so, you probably shouldn't be shouting about it on the internet.
No it's not. Not paying your taxes and using public services is more arguably theft.
So you enjoy killing people. Got you. Because that's what your tax money is used for. To fund wars halfway across the globe. For people you've never met and who have caused you no harm.
What a disingenuous take. Surely you can see how no one's going to take that message seriously, and no one will be convinced?
Taxes also pay for health care, roads, libraries, arts, and countless other things. Do you hate health care, roads, libraries, and art? I mean, maybe, but I wouldn't be confident about guessing that based solely on your position on taxation.
None of this is supporting your initial claim of "taxation is theft"
Oh yes, because the United States has such great healthcare that a CEO was shot in broad daylight on the streets of New York. But a couple of months ago. As for roads and libraries and such, that's what state taxes are for. Mind you, I somewhat disagree with state taxation as well, but at least state taxation benefits you directly.
You have an issue with capitalism not taxation and that's ignoring the fact that if we reverted back to pre 1940 tax schemes we would be taking in more money and only the richest people in America would pay a dime.
Cut 99% of the government, and you could accomplish that. If nothing else, you could always eliminate the income tax and put consumption taxes on goods besides groceries and housing. An income tax disincentivizes making more income, but a consumption tax would disincentivize needless consumption.
Are you Elon Musk? Because "cut 99% of the government" is the kind of uninformed ass-pull I would epxect from him.
Consumption taxes on goods is extremely regressive. That will tremendously impact the poor.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Oh yes, because eliminating groceries and housing from the consumption tax hurts the poor so badly because the poor need to buy five cars and ten yachts, etc.
I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say. No one is talking about poor people buying five cars and yachts. I'm talking about how when you're poor, and you're trying to make what little you have cover (for example) clothing, paying $10 in taxes is a bigger portion, and thus hurts more, than if you were rich and had to pay the same tax.
Do you know how money works? How the more money you have, the less each dollar matters?
You're like 70 percent water, can we remove that and expect you to function?
That's kind of the point. We don't need a functional government because we don't need government at all. Governments want us to think we need them when we do not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ0Qkhnt6bQ
That's immensely dumb and highlights a basic misunderstanding of government.
That is irrelevant to your claim of "Taxation is theft". Taxes pay for programs like medicare, medicaid, and social security, which are extremely popular.
Pushing stuff down to the state level makes coordination difficult, some projects impossible, and again is irrelevant to your argument that taxation is theft
That's just an argument that the military budget should be dramatically reduced (absolutely agree!), not that taxation is a problem in general.
Can't fund the military without taxation. If you told citizens to donate to support a war effort halfway across the globe that has no impact on their daily lives, they'd be absolutely certain to do it. /s. Now, coerce them with the threat of being thrown in a cage, or at the barrel of a gun, and that's different.
Yes, but you CAN have taxation without funding the military. You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I don't think taxation is the only way to do this, but you do need some kind of process for ensuring common social services and infrastructure exist and are maintained. Taxation is what we have now. How would you support those services without it?
If you absolutely must have taxation, then have state taxation. Because I don't see the state of Texas declaring war on Pakistan.
How would you fund federal services?
Seems to me the problem isn't taxation, it's the process for deciding how that government spending is distributed..
You can't fix that problem. The fact that there is a big pile of money there means that greedy people will attempt to get their hands on it. No matter what. So the only way to fix that is to not have the big pile of money sitting there to begin with.
So... you think that: a) you can't change the way government spends money, but b) you can change the way government receives money?
That's an interesting world view.
Not in my country. What? You forgot the USA wasn't the only country in the world?
It seems like you have a problem with capitalism, not with the concept of taxes.
While I'm typically all for debate and reason, this take is objectively the most fucking moronic spew of nonsense every single time I come across it on par with the sovereign citizen batshit nonsense.
And opinions are like assholes. You have one and so do I.
Not paying taxes is theft.
The government is going to spend whatever it wants. They will get the money by printing it if they can't get it from tax. This causes rampant inflation, which is the same as a flat tax.
By not paying your share of taxes, you're simply stealing from your neighbors.
Don't use a money they can print. Use gold.
Oh my. Really, go open a history book. Look at what the gold standard did to limit our economy. Look up why Fort Knox existed at that time. Look how big it would have to be today, and understand there isn't that much gold in the entire world.
There is enough gold in the world for everybody to have an equal amount. You can divide gold down to one one thousandth of an ounce of gold with current technology, which is plenty small enough to work with.
Lol, go and visit some country with a very low tax rate or no tax. need to visit a hospital? That's a 3h drive across some unpaved road on the next big city. Want to cook your food? Go and collect some wood for your brick stove, because the city does not provide gas or power to your house. Need water or power? See gas. Want to read a book? Bad luck, there was no free school service in your village to learn how to read. House on fire or crime in the neighborhood? Well I have more bad news for you. Neighboring country does not like you and want to expand into your territory? I wonder what some hillbillies, preppers and tax free conservatives do against a modern army that has aircraft, amour or armed drones.
You're part of the problem go back to civics class and this time pay attention.
Hey everyone. Look at this guy. He's the one that 'splits' the bill with his friends without adding tax, tips, or drinks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gZ2dc58pHc