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And this was done with the explicit approval of Trump. Fuck anyone who voted for Trump because "Genocide Joe." Yes, we all know the Democrats are absolutely fucking awful. We also knew before the election that Trump would be far worse for Gaza because he kept telling us he would be.
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/middle-east/israel-strike-gaza-death-toll-trump-hamas-ceasefire-b2717304.html
sorry, I just literally could not vote for genocide joe.
maybe stop trying to re-litigate an election your guys lost because they refused to give even the smallest consideration to their voters, including letting a palestinian-american speak or giving even the mildest and least binding condemnation of this shit. accept that this is why they lost. because centrists and leftists can't hold their noses and endorse genocide, while fascists get hard at the thought.
Your kind of thinking is extremely dangerous. Strict utilitarian thinking leads to gas chambers. You can excuse a whole lot of evil in the name of the greater good.
are you suggesting I should have done a write-in? and that he was still meaningful opposition? fuck off.
First, you were never asked to vote for Biden last year. He literally never appeared on any ballots. Not a single person voted for Biden last year. So your entire point here is fucking moot.
Second, nobody is asking you to get married to who you vote for. You aren't required to support every word they've ever said. You aren't even required to support a single thing they do. American elections are a binary choice between the lesser of two evils. That's how they've ALWAYS been. You pick the least bad of two bad options, and Harris was objectively less bad than Trump in every degree. If your candidate wins, you get to work fighting against the lesser evil that defeated the greater one. I've been voting for 21 years now and every single election I had to hold my nose and vote for someone I didn't like because the other option was worse. This election wasn't about you. Get over yourself and grow the fuck up.
Third, electoral politics shouldn't define your life or even the extent of your participation in politics. It's a single theater of political action among MANY. I was out there before the election in the streets protesting the Democratic ticket's support of the Gaza Genocide. I also recognized that putting Harris in the White House over Trump would have been better on MANY other issues (women's healthcare, trans rights, the economy, jobs for federal workers, cost of living, etc, etc). I'm not so petty and self-centered to delude myself into believing one single issue was the only thing that mattered in the entire election.
Nobody is saying Democrats are great or even good. They fucking suck. We don't have good options in our electoral politics. We never have. That's why you need to engage in other forms of politics, too. Your entire "I couldn't vote for genocide Joe" bullshit is just self-indulgence. It's childish.
Where is your personal red line? Do you even have one?
Seriously. I'm asking you. What is your personal red line? What would a Democrat have to do to not get your vote, assuming the Republican running against them was a little worse?
Do you have one? Is there ANY behavior you won't accept, so long as a Democrat is a little bit better than the opposing Republican?
Or would you happily endorse a literal Holocaust as long as it was a bipartisan affair?
I don't see voting for one of the two in a binary as an endorsement of everything that candidate stands for. You're acting as if not voting sends a message. It doesn't it's literally the opposite of sending a message. It's refusing to have a voice at all. You're not condemning the system by not voting. You're saying you're perfectly OK with either of the two outcomes. I'm saying I'm not OK with one of them.
You're also speaking as if voting is the only possible way to engage in politics. It happens twice a year (in years with both primary and general elections). What are you doing the other 363 days? Are you just sitting by and letting whatever happens happen?
For me, personally, voting is an EXTREMELY minor part of my engagement with politics. I also participate in protests regularly. Ever since my early 20s (late 30s now) I've made a point of attending at least 1 protest every month. For the past 8 years, it's been closer to weekly than monthly. I donate a lot of money to different groups, mostly a local abortion fund and bail fund for activists, but I change it up when the need is there. I make food for a local Food not Bombs and help serve when I can (although that's infrequently due to my work schedule and the fact I have kids).
This is not an exhaustive list of my political activities, but it helps paint the picture.
Tell me, if your vote is so direly precious that you're unwilling to give it away to the lesser of two evils in a binary choice where "none" is not an option, how do you engage with politics? What do you do to help improve the lives of the people in your community? Or are you just trying to shitpost a revolution into happening?
Joe wasnt running, Maybe Kamala would do something about it but trump was clearly the worst option not just for Palestine but regular americans and their old allies.
that was the joke. that the person is shilling for these people, and couldn't even remember which one was their mascot. You cannot seriously still be bitching about this. if you want this party to ever have a chance ever in the future; shut the fuck up. you are not winning friends.
I'm from the EU thankfully, not my mess to fix.
This was also happening under Biden, you genocide denying scum, this is literally just a return to what was happening under genocide Joe.
And by "far worse" you mean the genocide in Gaza would be exactly the same, but selfish comfortable liberals in the US like you wouldn't have their politicians sugar coating it in comforting platitudes to you in their domestic addresses. And that make you feel bad, and that's the only fucking thing you western white supremacists shitlibs care about.
You seem to have an incredibly mistaken understanding of my personal politics. I was out in person protesting the Democrat's Gaza policy before the election. I'm not claiming or pretending like Democrats were good in any way at all. In fact, if you read my above comment closely, you'll notice that I pretty clearly said:
Nobody here is claiming that there was no genocide while Biden was in office. Of course there was. What I'm criticizing is people who believed the genocide would stop or that Trump would be better for Gaza. There is actually a difference in degrees and the Republicans are actually far far worse for Gaza and all Palestinians. Again, that doesn't mean that the Democrats are good. It means that the Republicans are even worse.
Also, I'm not a liberal.
Don't care, you engage in genocide denial to support Joe Biden, that tells me enough.
No. There isn't. The only difference is how they sell it to domestic Americans, and being the selfish western white supremacist that you are, that's all you care about.
They're not though, you're just a selfish PoS
You are engaging in genocide denial to protect Joe Biden. You are a liberal at best
Where am I trying to protect Biden on anything? The hell are you talking about? You have some very serious reading comprehension problems.
Your posts are literally right there man, drop the denial act.
Please quote the part where I tried to protect Biden about anything. The whole point here was to criticize people who voted for Trump while believing the clearly demonstrable lie that he was going to be better for the people of Gaza than Biden.
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Now shut the fuck up with your playing dumb about easily verified things.
How about shitlibs like you who believed the clearly demonstrable lie that the Democrats are better for the people of Gaza than Trump.
You are either severely brainwashed or severely braindumb.
Like...
This has nothing to do with anyone's personal beliefs, this is basic logic and understanding how space and time work.
What party was in charge for the previous year of unrestrained genocide
Israel is resuming the unrestrained genocide it was committing under Biden.
A great many people.
Indeed, you for instance, should learn to remember anything form more than three minutes ago, genocide apologist
Understand that the US empire is evil, and zionist supremacist control over it is inescapable. Zionist oligarchy, and entire media, funding shifted to Trump in 2024, while in 2020 they picked the most Republican/Zionist/Neocon to win the DNC primary.
I do understand that, tell the genocide apologists that think genocide is only bad when its the Republicans doing it that
Literally nobody here said anything close to "the genocide is only bad when its the Republicans doing it." You are arguing against a strawman of your own invention.
What are you talking about? It's crammed with them
This is why I think Trump can do whatever he wants and get away with it. People keep telling me his supporters have their limits, but I really don't think they do.