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[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 10 points 1 day ago

Well, when they stop attacking us for believing in human rights, maybe we can have a dialogue.

[-] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Exactly, the issues we are diametrically opposed on cannot afford compromise. You can't compromise on whether or not trans people deserve to exist. You can't compromise on whether all school children deserve to eat. You can't compromise on the opposition of fascism, racism, and bigotry. These people can get on the right side of morality or they can get fucked and I'll tell every one of them to their face now that the other shoe is dropping on it. They have been offered the open hand of reason and discussion since at least 2015. They spat in our face for a decade. Now they get the fist.

[-] ambidexterity@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

So to start a dialogue, ppl must agree with your premise that human rights exist? Or should we have a dialogue where you prove human rights exist?

[-] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

The conversation has to broach:

  • Medical standards groups have our interests at heart even if medical companies do not
  • trans people exist and have a right to live how they like.
  • Children have a right to some self-determination, including figuring out their sexual preference and gender identity.
  • All people deserve affordable health care and affordable housing, regardless of their race, religion, or background.
  • Criminals deserve to be treated as human beings. Jails directly stand in opposition to that.
  • there's likely more that I can't think of.

These 'dialogues' are not about things the left can morally budge on, and they're insanely exhausting, especially when your opponent isn't arguing in good faith. No one is obligated to go through that social stress, and frankly it's probably easier for most to just physically fight right-wing zealots.

[-] ambidexterity@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

Medical standards groups have our interests at heart even if medical companies do not

Why would they have our interests at heart?

trans people exist

Obviously

and have a right to live how they like

Depends on what they like.

Children have a right to some self-determination

Nah, they don't

All people deserve affordable health care and affordable housing, regardless of their race, religion, or background

Why? What did they do to deserve this? And why do we ignore religion/race/background? IMO there are no "all people". Shinto japanese and Arab Muslim are two ontologically different objects like a rock and a stick. We have no reasons to treat them equally.

Criminals deserve to be treated as human beings. Jails directly stand in opposition to that

How are human beings treated? What is your solution? Abolish jails?

[-] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 17 hours ago

And your disagreement on this demonstrates why you're gonna get decked by leftists instead of talked to.

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