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It's nice that Elon is getting hit where it hurts. Hopefully the EU benefits from this.
Am I the only one that's not worried about the future? As a non-American I mean, it feels like we're about to have more global unity and prosperity entirely at the expense of America, whereby it'll become the futures new "No Man's Land" of proxy-wars, weapons testing, and religious fundamentalism to satiate the MIC while everywhere else gets to make new trade partnerships and are free to explore more political possibilities without having to pay their dues to Uncle Sam.
Maybe i'm being too optimistic, but it sorta feels like the winds are blowing towards a new global alliance of Europe and NATO teaming up with China, purposefully excluding and at the expense of Russia and USA. Feels like the Cold War superpowers have both lost, Russia successfully defeating USA but not without collapsing themselves too. Almost as though this war in Ukraine was just part of the mechanism to collapse the USA/EU Atlantic alliance, and the war can only be over once Russia and USA are through.
You are forgetting that China and Russia are friends, and always have been. Sure, they have their dust-ups, but it's never serious. Last summer they were having combined wargames along the Alaska/Canadian coast, and Russian and Chinese jets flew close enough to have our air command nervous. At the same time Russia was touting their alliance with North Korea.
I think the US will leave NATO, but NATO will not align with China. Instead, there will be a new alliance, and America will join Russia, China, North Korea, and a few others (Saudi Arabia, Iran, Hungary, Turkey, etc.) in a new Axis Of Evil.
I don't know where you get your info, but China and Russia have a frenemy relationship, a friendly rivalry, basically. This goes back to Stalin's limited support for the CCP in their early days, or even before when the Russian Tsar conquered huge swaths of land from the Qing Dynasty during their Century of Humiliation, about the time when we Americans were busy having our Civil War. We see it to this day, where China could have a huge and decisive effect on the Russo-Ukrainian War if they wished and fully threw in with Russia, but instead are happy to sit back and war profiteer while Russia takes heavy loses and the West spends money instead of making it.
Then Iran and Saudi Arabia are archenemies. Iran is a Shia-majority theocracy, SA is a Sunni-majority secular monarchy with a history of persecuting Shias, and even warming up to Israel before Oct 7th. They have a long history of conflict.
Not sure how Turkey gets on the list either, Turkey has consistently played both sides, always being in it for Turkey. I don't see the benefit for them to actually pick a side, thus losing their benefits from the other. We see this clearly, again, in how they've approached the Russo-Ukrainian War. Like cozying up to Putin, but hey, have some free Bayraktars, Ukraine!
I know a lot of people put a lot of effort into trying to make it seem like a real WW3 with fairly even sides is plausible in the near future, but it always requires a lot of cherry picking and ignoring realities for them to spin their stories together.
I'm likely not well informed enough to know for sure, but from what I've been gathering is that China Russia relations are more or less based on weapons deals while otherwise remaining neutral and shakey at best. As in they're sort of "fair weather friends" but I think China has a better future in weapons deals with a United Europe and a collapsing USA and Russia Vs. a future with a collapsing Russia and the likes of Iran or Hungary (Turkey is NATO btw). China certainly wouldn't approach Europe with a deal, but rather I feel like China is in the position to choose between deals that are coming to them, and while China is certainly not an ideal Big Daddy I feel like they'd do a better job at overseeing more peaceful relations with themselves on top instead of America. Iran and North Korea would get a better deal out of it too than this new Axis of Evil you're proposing. Everyone just wants USA to collapse so they can get on with their countries without USA's meddling interference schemes and paying dues to Uncle Sam, that alone would placate a lot of these "Evil Countries" to be more willing and able to be less "evil". It's not a solution but it's progress.
AGAIN i'm most likely wrong, would like to be enlightened further if anyones got some good reads/vids for me.
Unfortunately I feel like this is unavoidable, but isn't China a lesser evil? I mean instead of doing what USA is doing by foreign meddling and destabilizing for profit, China is actually making proactive relations to help build up countries (for profit) rather than exploit them, China Africa relations for instance. I also think the China Africa relations is a huge factor that isn't considered enough, as China certainly offers a better deal for Africa than America or Russia's Wagner gold-mine psychos are offering. USA and Russia appear to be in the business of isolating themselves and will suffer for it like every country in history does. Iran and North Korea could be placated by better trade agreements that could be facilitated by China. Africa is rising fast, thanks to China's help. China's rising fast, and are building more positive relations than negative. Even their politics and social progressiveness is becoming less authoritarian, and is currently a more progressive place than America is. Europe has a better chance of being more progressive under China than it has been under America. Again, I agree that China isn't ideal and is certainly a bully, they just simply offer a better deal.
100% agree, but in our current reality of being a global digital village Europe can't just unite amongst themselves to be part of the future, they have to make relations with everyone. The geopolitical landscape is moving at breakneck speeds right now, it's fascinating to watch, mostly because now more than ever it looks like anything is possible (for better or for worse.) If I were to think about what's in Europe, China, Middle East, and Global South's best interests are is to unite in a way that was previously impossible due to America Russia tensions. Whether it be a new Russia/USA Axis, an isolated USA and/or Russia, or both (which I believe without confidence is happening just looks that way) it is in everyones best interest to create a new global partnership without USA and Russia, at the expense of USA and Russia.
That's an excellent point. Trump is replacing all the competent people with loyalists, without remembering a basic fact: It is better to keep your potential enemy inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in.
All he has done is force all of his most competent leaders to join the opposition, as well as tens of thousands of inside operatives who are now unemployed, but know better than anyone how the system operates. There are are also a lot of people still on the inside, who hate what has happened to their workplace and their colleagues, and won't be so compliant. They'll be perfect moles for any espionage/sabotage.
Eventually they'll get organized, and it will be the competent, motivated Patriots against the treasonous MAGA morons.
Eutelsat and Amazon's Kuiper just got one more pre-order.
Well, Amazon isn't exactly great for the EU, but at least it's not Elon, IG...
Billionaires trying to preserve the status quo are far less dangerous than billionaires trying to disrupt it.
Damning with faint praise, but you're not wrong. No billionaire getting stuck-in like Musk is doing it to make the world a better place for anyone else, and no one except autocrats and accelerationist wackos should be pleased with how things have changed in the last 6 months.
So? No billionaires at all are better than both cases. Bezos is evil too, any investment going towards him is terrible to. It's better than Elon, but all this is terrible. Also, Bezos is not trying to preserve the status quo, he's only trying to protect himself and his pockets, that's all.
Nowhere did I claim that billionaires are good. I’m saying which type are the most dangerous.
It’s like saying “which tiger is more dangerous, the hungry one or the hungry AND rabid one?” Obviously both are existential problems to us, but one is still worse the others.
Of course, nor did I mean to imply you did so!
I do get your point, and, on the surface level, I agree. However, I think it's an inferior analysis of the situation.
Take your tiger metaphor; naturally, the rabid and hungry one is the most dangerous. Nevertheless, as you pointed out, they are both existential problems. I simply can't celebrate, be satisfied, or even be appeased by the knowledge that we're harbouring a hungry tiger, no matter what hungry and rabid tiger we may avoid by doing so. That's my point.
It does seem we're on the same page about this, to be honest... It's just that your initial reply seemed a little
how do I put it...
irrelevant? It's the Maxim of Quantity. We both agree that billionaires are fundamentally problematic, then why did you go and specify which ones are worse?
Yeah... I get that, but why would you even bring that up? Why say that? It doesn't imply that you're someone that pisses in cereal, but it does give off that feeling.
Yeah... I get that, but why would you even bring that up? Why say that? It doesn't imply that you're someone that thinks billionaires are good, but it does give off that feeling.
Do you pick up what I'm putting down?!
Yeah we’re on the same page. The original context was buying Kuiper internet instead of Starlink, so choosing the least bad option seemed relevant to me.
True, but not good enough. Eventually there will come a billionaire who is even more psychopathic than all the others, probably some Nepo-baby who thinks he's a super-villain-genius because he was smart enough to be born with money. That guy will truly wreck the world more than the current batch of billionaires will.
If we don't end this power grab by the billionaires, and eliminate them from existence, now and in the future, it will ONLY get worse and worse, until it is the end of civilization.
Bezos is just as evil
Not sure about that, but I can't really say I disagree, fundamentally.
Shame that he's going to bring the rest of us down with him
I've managed to not lose a single cent from all my others investments combined thanks to the little I had in Eutelsat. I'm for sure reinforcing that one. Also, shorting tesla has been fun, but I don't have the means to do it at a risk safe scale.
After Tesla, starlink should come next (X will die organically) so unfortunate starlink is not public to short.
Wah, good for you!
I'm invested solely in an all-world ETF, so I'm getting hit pretty hard by the market crashes in the US. It doesn't really bother me too much, considering my time horizon, but still.
Good luck with your money!