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DOGE staffers flew to California to try and release water themselves during LA fires
(www.independent.co.uk)
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Because the water would go where they want it to go. You just don't understand where they want it to go or why.
You think they want it to go to where the fires are. That's wrong.
They want it to go into the central valley to refill the giant lake and swamp ecosystem that used to be there.
They don't care about the short-term needs of people who need to drink or put out fires or grow crops. They are making decisions entirely from the perspective of longtermism. They see restoring the central valley's swamp ecosystem as the overwhelming long-term good, regardless of any short-term consequences.
Right idea, reckless implementation. It's also not clear that just dumping as much water as possible into the central valley is the best way to restore the swamp ecosystem. So much of the valley's hydrology and ability to retain water have been damaged since the cotton farmers drained the lake after the civil war. This is a restoration that needs to be done slowly and deliberately, both to not kill people who currently rely on that water and to manage the environmental impacts on the basin of suddenly reintroducing water that it's spent 150 years adapting to live without.
I have not seen any evidence of this plan, nor any long-term planning from the administration in general. Can you support this claim?
I make no claim of long-term planning.
Longtermism is a philosophy that Musk has been writing about for many years.
Elon isn't one for careful planning.
He is one for careless disregard of short-term consequences while seeking what he has determined to be a long-term good.
I have personally argued for restoring the central valley swamp ecosystem in California. Doing so should be a delicate task, because the valley is no longer hydrologically or morphologically tuned to swampland. The entire overland water transport hydrological system in the valley was redesigned by humans to support farmers in a dry basin decades after the cotton farmers drained it.
Just dumping water into what used to be the lakebed is reckless. It is an action taken with no long-term planning for rebuilding an ecosystem that emerged from the last ice age thanks to careful maintenance, gardening, and stewardship by indigenous peoples; building this ecosystem required human ingenuity and careful planning; so will rebuilding it. It is an action taken without even short-term planning for what happens to the water next as it refills a basin now adapted to dry conditions; it is one of our nation's agricultural powerhousen.
I believe that he thinks that just putting the water in the right place without anyone helping develop the new swamp ecosystem is enough to restore California's wetlands. Maybe he's right, on a long enough timescale. I think we should prefer to be careful and to work with the various relevant communities in that area to ensure that any further changes we make to this ecosystem are done responsibly.
I'm confused. Wasn't Trumps mission to drain the swap? Why is he now trying to fill it back up? Is he that old and senile he doesn't know what the plan is anymore?