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European leaders holding emergency talks in Brussels have agreed on a massive increase to defence spending, amid a drive to shore up support for Ukraine after Donald Trump halted US military aid and intelligence sharing.

But the show of unity was marred by Hungary’s prime minister, Viktor Orbán, failing to endorse an EU statement on Ukraine pushing back against Trump’s Russia-friendly negotiating stance.

The 26 other EU leaders, including Orbán’s ally Robert Fico, the Slovakian prime minister, “firmly supported” the statement. “There can be no negotiations on Ukraine without Ukraine,” said the draft statement, a response to Trump’s attempt to sideline Europe and Kyiv.

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[-] NimdaQA@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

No way dude! But with what industry though?

In all seriousness, Russia was producing 20-30 T-90Ms per month (or 240-360 per year) in 2024 going off of monthly deliveries. The entirety of Europe cannot even match this. The only country I am aware of that can produce this many tanks per month is South Korea and China. This has likely increased since then but due to increased OPSEC, there have been no videos of batches of T-90Ms (or even T-72B3s) being delivered. But missile production has doubled since 2024 so I would not be surprised that tank production has also doubled to 40-60 per month (480-720 per year).

I have been keeping track of T-90M deliveries for a while now:

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It was always around 20-30 per month last year. This means Russia produces more tanks than the amount the entire German military has in a single year. And as I stated, this likely has doubled but it is impossible to verify as OPSEC means we have not seen any deliveries on video for half a year now. Europe can't even produce their own ballistic missiles which have been a game changer in Ukraine as shown by the effectiveness of ATACMS and Iskander-M.

Russia is producing more shells than the entirety of Europe combined who struggles to supply Ukraine with even a million shells (while Russia was producing 3 million per year in 2024).

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago

Russia us on a wartime economy and struggling with 1 European country that is using a portion of peacetime stocks from the rest of Europe.

If Europe wants to take this seriously, Russia doesn't have a chance.

[-] NimdaQA@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Russia does not have a wartime economy. They are only spending 6% of their GDP on their military which is comparable to the US or Poland in terms of percentage of GDP. EU has given up far more than just a portion. UK has supplied Ukraine with all of its SPGs. Poland supplied Ukraine with half of its SPGs. The US has supplied Ukraine with 15% of its entire ATACMS stockpile (a missile which is no longer produced and does not yet have a viable alternative due to PRSM still being in low-rate production) as of six months ago. The EU has given up a significant portion of their ammunition to Ukraine. The only thing they did not give is tanks because Ukraine already had a thousand tanks at the start of the war (half of which were modern) which is more tanks than the amount that France, Germany, and the UK have combined.

Most of the Russian military is not in Ukraine per my other comment.

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

6% is from the public sector. Russia is very much forcing the private sector to also produce and forcing them to take loans.

[-] NimdaQA@lemmy.world 1 points 47 minutes ago

Which is still not a wartime economy. You are right that Russia is forcing the private sector to pick up the slack. Majority of military spending does not go into the Special Military Operation. The majority of forces in Ukraine are from irregular volunteer formations recruited from regions across Russia. These irregular volunteer formations rely on their local regional government to supply them with weapons and equipment alongside crowdfunding campaigns and donations from organizations like the Popular Front.

This is well shown by the Tuvan volunteers who come from the poorest region in Russia which shows in their equipment:

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Chechnya was probably affected the most by this war economically speaking as they have recently taken up the burden of training and equipping a large portion of volunteers:

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So most of the federal government's military spending (which is still larger than the entirety of Europe's military spending combined when using PPP which is what really matters when talking about militaries) is actually not being used for the SMO but for a large-scale military buildup for future operations. This means regional governments are the ones footing the bill. But even so, they are not at a wartime footing. These regional governments outside of Chechnya are really only providing their soldiers with the bare essentials which really shows in Russia's performance in this war. Like instead of actual military vehicles, soldiers are recieving old bread loafs and other civilian vehicles.

[-] NotLemming@lemm.ee 20 points 1 day ago

Noone cares for your Russian propaganda here. Go away. Quit your troll farm job and go do something better.

[-] NimdaQA@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes because everything you disagree with is either propaganda or part of a troll farm. Don’t like my data? Find me better ones.

Yawn

How I love the standard NAFO reply of “muh propaganda!”

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Ahah, your "data" is a footage from Russian propaganda tv showing a tank driving on some field, or some people at a free concert listening to a guy singing badly. Me farting in your general direction is a better source of information.

[-] NimdaQA@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The videos are deliveries, some of said videos are just tanks on trains.

Those are not all the links I have available, just too lazy right now. Might add more later.

[-] Docus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Reddit links are ‘data’ now???

[-] NotLemming@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago

I wouldn't waste my time. That's the only reason you're here, to waste our time.

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