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European leaders holding emergency talks in Brussels have agreed on a massive increase to defence spending, amid a drive to shore up support for Ukraine after Donald Trump halted US military aid and intelligence sharing.

But the show of unity was marred by Hungary’s prime minister, Viktor Orbán, failing to endorse an EU statement on Ukraine pushing back against Trump’s Russia-friendly negotiating stance.

The 26 other EU leaders, including Orbán’s ally Robert Fico, the Slovakian prime minister, “firmly supported” the statement. “There can be no negotiations on Ukraine without Ukraine,” said the draft statement, a response to Trump’s attempt to sideline Europe and Kyiv.

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[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 38 points 2 days ago

Trump is an asshole, and the US should absolutely be the leader in defending Ukraine given its stockpiles and technologies and the immediacy of the need.

At the same time, Europe was able to fund some pretty nice social programs by minimizing defense spending over the last few decades. They could only do that with aggressors on their borders by relying far too heavily on the US.

[-] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

The US spends more per capita on healthcare than any country with socialised healthcare

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

You're the second person to write that, and it's entirely irrelevant to European military spending, Russia, and Ukraine.

[-] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

What I’m saying is that you can have those social programs that you say Europe has and the USA would actually be able to put even more money towards your military. Your current system is wildly less efficient because it’s setup to enrich middlemen (insurance companies).

The social programs existing have nothing to do with military spending in Europe

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago

Your first point has already been made by others and is off-topic for the post.

European governments have budgets. With a set amount of revenue, they can spend more on social programs if they spend less elsewhere. If they want to keep their social spending and spend more elsewhere, they will have to increase their revenues. Not having the extra expense has made things better for them, and now that is going to end.

It's very simple, and maybe people should stick to the point and not feel triggered to respond against hyper-capitalist America.

[-] straightjorkin@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

The eu sent $5b more in arms to Ukraine than the us did.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago

They need to increase that but also keep more for themselves.

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

I keep hearing this but I'm a skeptic at heart. You wouldn't happen to have some sources would you?

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 9 points 1 day ago

Lots of people are saying Trump is an asshole.

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

That is the only part of your comment that doesn't need additional sources

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

More than likely possible depending on how they came up with valuations on old stock piles from the cold war. Depends on if you value them based on their original cost, or the modern cost to replace them.

[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

They could also afford to make the disgustingly rich even richer. By a lot.

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