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Summary

Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

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[-] troglodytis@lemmy.world 162 points 2 days ago

Why would any nation that does not have nukes not start making nukes right now?

The USA has shown over and over, it's the only thing we take seriously. We don't give a fuck until you have nukes. We don't care about treaties, alliances, deals. We only care if you can start the nuke wars. Anything else is just "how can we take advantage of you?"

Also .. World, I understand you're not reading this, but for the three of ya that do, boycott us. Tariff the shit out of us. You got this, and thanks for all the fish.

[-] irish_link@lemmy.world 60 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Unfortunately Ukraine was part of the Budapest Memorandum. With this they gave up their nuclear armament in an agreement that "prohibited Russia, the United States, the United Kingdom and France from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations."

So they gave up their nukes with the agreement that they would be safe from these 4 groups. However that didn't do shit for them, thus a huge reason why any SeasFire(Ceasefire, my bad) would have to have some big security backing. As Russia has ignored all prior agreements.

[-] troglodytis@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

Exactly why the lesson any other non-nuclear armed country should learn is to get the nukes

[-] poopkins@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago
[-] eutampieri@feddit.it 7 points 1 day ago
[-] poopkins@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Oof. That's a hell of a case of "bone-apple tea" if I've ever heard one. It undermines the credibility of the whole comment.

What you say feels right, and it is breaking my heart

[-] bigFab@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Prof. John Mearshmeyer have been talking about great power's expansionism and it's relation to nuclear armament since at least 2015.

[-] Aqarius@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Yup. And when Russia invaded Ukraine, everyone called him a Russian puppet because of course America would never!

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

As an American,

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