587
Rule
(feddit.de)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 22 Jul 2023
587 points (100.0% liked)
196
16738 readers
2702 users here now
Be sure to follow the rule before you head out.
Rule: You must post before you leave.
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
These are the people that keep taking funding from education and put it towards more guns.
I can’t possibly lower my expectations any further.
I'm not opposed to guns, but the idea of a less educated population having more of them doesn't quite sit right with me.
Neh. The stupid people are getting way too many of them and will use tragedies to justify owning them.
How many more mass shootings need to happen before it’s finally too much? And a good guy with a gun is not the answer. The Uvalde police had guns but that didn’t change anything.
Cops are not "good guys". They have a duty to protect property, not life.
Plus they're the only job where they can refuse to hire you for being too smart.
wait what? like, this is completely on brand, but who the fuck thought this was a good idea?
That's irrelevant. If firearms were outlawed tomorrow it wouldn't stop mass shootings.
While it wouldn't stop them entirely, saying it's irrelevant is completely wrong. There's enough data out there from countries not buried in gun violence to prove there would be a difference.
Sure, it might have made an impact in other countries, but there are over 300 million guns in the US. That's almost 1 gun per living human in the country. In the event of a firearms ban those guns don't just go away, they go underground. The black market for firearms in an America where guns are outlawed would be massive and easily accessible, so I think the mass shooting angle of this argument is actually pretty irrelevant.
What makes America different from other nations that didn't spring up a massive black market for guns
it's mainly the overwhelming presence of guns prior to the proposed ban on them, and the culture built around them.
besides, how many mass shootings happened on the balkans which are also flush with leftover guns from the yugoslav wars? how many happen in the czech republic where you can legally own and carry firearms similarly to the american system? i'm not even gonna compare it to switzerland because while they have tons of guns, they heavily regulate ammo. something is just deeply broken with the united states and simply banning guns wouldn't fix it.
the real question imo is what drives a person to essentially end their life by shooting up some place? because whether you end up shot to death on sight, paralyzed, or simply stuck behind bars, that's the end of the road. a society that pushes people to do something this drastic will not stop being problematic if you just take the drastic tool away from people. they'll just stop taking roughly one other innocent person with them when they snap (which is the average if you consider a mass shooting as anything that injures 4+ people, which is the criterion by which the often cited "one mass shooting per day" works), which is, yes, an improvement, but it only masks the underlying problem.
i know "it's a mental health issue" is a right wing dogwhistle but that's because the statement is stupid, because it falls for the standard conservative bullshit of positing there are no systemic issues, just bad people. this is absolutely systemic. if predestined "bad people" in this sense existed there is no reason they'd be born at a vastly higher frequency in the united states than elsewhere.
the answer is likely deeply rooted in economic inequality and the total lack of a social safety net. which is probably why anti-gun rhetoric is pushed by rich organizations, and is therefore allowed to permeate mainstream culture and isn't stuck on the sidelines like right to repair or privacy legislations. not because it is actually a good solution but because it is cheaper than addressing the root cause. which would be ensuring people always have something to lose, like they have in all the other countries where we see different effects.
I hate this argument, that criminal people sonehow have the ability to do anything anywhere unhindered by everything, and so making laws will only cause more crimes. It is the same type of thinking when people say "masks don't work", 90% efficacy is WORTH HAVING.
It is asinine. Making laws and properly enforcing them would absolutely reduce mass shootings. Some people certainly could still purchase unregistered guns illegally, but it would be a small fraction of the people who would/will do it under our current laws.