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[-] einkorn@feddit.org 8 points 5 hours ago
[-] Paddzr@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

Honest question, what makes Ukraine troops that much better trained?

[-] einkorn@feddit.org 5 points 4 hours ago

"Capable" in this context doesn't just refer to training alone.

As laid out in the video, Russian recruits are getting older and older (as in: have sometimes even fought in Soviet era conflicts) and recruitment standards are dropped more and more (apparently having Schizophrenia is OK for a Russian soldier) to keep a steady influx of warm bodies. Next, Russian recruits appear to be broadly separated into two groups: The meat shields who are rushed to the front with minimal training to plug the biggest holes in the units (stark examples include only multiple days between reported recruitment and death). The second group is going through a more traditional training regiment but also shortened. This shortening also applies to officer candidates.

In short: Recruits are getting less physically capable due to the average age increasing drastically over time, and militarily less capable due to shortened or basically nonexistent training.

As for the Ukrainians: I expect the video with analysis on their casualties and recruitment to drop this week.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Well the Ukrainians are at least trying to train their troops while Russia has been caught shoving raw recruits into the front line after literally no training. Those reports are obviously magnified by each side's information ops but we do know the Russians have a survivability problem. The two biggest things you learn in basic are what to do when someone starts shooting, and how to hit things with your rifle. Everything else is extra that's meant to make you able to use specialized equipment. The real learning environment has always been combat itself. And in this arena the Ukrainians are absolutely dominant.

[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Because Ukranian troops have 2 things Russian troops will never have.

  • Commanders that don't use idiotic human wave attacks.
  • Shoes.
[-] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 hours ago

It's good to remember that a small subset of Ukrainian commanders do see soldiers as mere cannon fodder. Mere 11 years ago, the Ukrainian military was run almost precisely the same way as the Russian one. And many commanders are from before 2014. Many of them have converted to the new ways since 2014, but some haven't. That's a problem that severely hampers Ukraine's recruitment capacity. Still, Ukrainians are a nation that will flex when it needs to. If the Russia starts advancing faster than the 0.7 % of Ukraine's total area in year like they did in 2024, people get more afraid of what is going on and get motivated to join the armed forces.

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