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Ukraine is their neignbor. Being that most of Europe are also NATO members, It makes more sense to me that they be the ones to spearhead this proxy war if anyone should.
you overestimate the influence russia previously had in our country while simultaneously underestimate the impact of americas history on my own fellow Americans as well as the rest of the world.
Do you seriously think we don't invest money and personnel in destabilizing russia?
I also didn't say to eliminate support, but we shouldn't be leading this charge
I seriously think we should do what our fellow NATO countries have been doing the past 8 decades and start focusing our attention on improving living conditions at home instead of constantly spending absurd amounts of money to perpetuate this infinitely growing war machine that claims to hold other countries to standards that it can't even hold itself to.
With all due respect. I couldn't care less.
Ah, yes. You clearly don't care so much you typed out a response.
hands-down one of the most effortless things I can do.
Yet you clearly could do less, correct?
nope.
5 keystrokes seems like you could do/care less.
nope
4, we are getting closer!
nop
Just 3 more and I will believe you can not care less.
I can not.
Why is the effort increasing? We had a whole thing going.
No
Yay, 2 more keystrokes!
I never defended russia. quit makin' shit up. also, unlike you bots, I have to sleep sometimes.
Your not the only propagandists I'm responding to and your intial comment is clearly referencing some of my replies to other people. I'm already good enough. Quit projecting.
So you think Russia waged this war just to stick it to the West? To me it looks like a war of conquest - Russia invaded so they could take land.
Also because Putin needed a war to shore up nationalist fervor and distract from his failures and corruption. A classic play that almost always works.
If it was only about conquest, there is countries like Kazachstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Tschadjikistan that Russia could conquer easily and w.o. consequences from the West.
The key strategic goal for Russia is to prevent NATO standing on their homeland doorsteps.
For a good explanatiom see this talk by Prof. John Mearsheimer, who foresaw this war coming ten years ago already.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4&pp=ygULbWVhcnNoZWltZXI%3D
NATO has already been on Russia's borders - the Baltics and Poland were already NATO members that bordered Russia.
I think the invasion of Ukraine was indeed a conquest for land. John McCain over 10 years ago predicted that Putin wanted to grab a "land bridge" between mainland Russia and Crimea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLAzeHnNgR8&t=58s
They only recently deployed soldiers in the capital there.
is not the be all end all of geopolitics. His "realist" perspective is limited and he has often been wrong, including regarding Ukraine.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/power-of-power-politics/mearsheimers-multipolar-myths-and-the-false-promise-of-realist-policy-prescriptions-the-empirical-inaccuracy-of-the-realist-paradigm/AEDB8F3F56FD2D5048E79FD8332A5DAE
Maersheimer is also an apologist for imperialism.
The war started when Russia took Crimea in 2014, that's 11 years ago. Georgia was invaded in 2008.
MItt Romney warned of Russian agression back in 2012.
Dugin's Foundation of Geopolitics was published in 1997 and outlined how Russia could regain its lost empire.
Now this is just a dim take. We are fighting a war via a proxy (Ukraine) by offering the financial, logistical, and weapon support. Hence, a Proxy War.
What's dim is refusing to recognise that this war was started by Russia. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, then increased their invasion in 2022. Ukraine asked the West for military help so the West provided military help.
Maybe Ukraine should have been allowed to join NATO years ago when they asked, and then they might not have been invaded.
Ukraine's not a member of NATO and i never disputed who the primary aggressor was in this war.
Indeed. That's why I said maybe Ukraine should have been allowed to join NATO years ago. That might have prevented this invasion.
So you think Russia invaded, but then the West used this as an opportunity to harm Russia. Maybe the West wasn't interested in harming Russia for the sake of harming Russia. Maybe the West just wanted Russia to stop its invasion of Ukraine.
Russia invaded and i think the west didn't care until we were out of our other forever wars and we needed a new way to keep the military industrial complex afloat.
Would you have preferred to see the West provide nothing to Ukraine and instead just watch Ukraine get taken over by Russia? Perhaps that would have resulted in fewer deaths, but who knows. Russian forces probably would have still killed a lot of Ukrainians, and they would have subjugated Ukrainians, and probably they would have still committed rape and other acts.
I've already stated my preferences.
Why are you even guessing? Every single representative of Russia including Putin gives long ass speeches about why this is happening. Also the US is hardcore plotting and funding terrorism against Russia. They have incidents every two weeks or so.
The same government that has lied about so many things that I have lost count
Evidence? Do you think the US plotted and funded the Crocus City Hall attack for instance?
The EU has given far more support to Ukraine than the US.
It is about 10% more from the combined EU than the US
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/news/ukraine-support-after-3-years-of-war-aid-flows-remain-low-but-steady-shift-towards-weapons-procurement/
"The EU has given far more support to Ukraine than the US."
Cite your sources.
The "EU" is not a singular country. The US is.
The US has about twice the landmass, far more natural resources and about 80% of the population of the EU.
As for sources:
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/news/ukraine-support-after-3-years-of-war-aid-flows-remain-low-but-steady-shift-towards-weapons-procurement/
Thank you for posting a source but that article suggests that the EU surpassed the US in support because we started to withhold some support mid 2023. I guess this means my comment wasn't the most apropriately timed but I'm not opposed to having a reduced support roll from when this started.
Here you go: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crew8y7pwd5o
And the EU has given more to Ukraine than Texas. See, I can say stupid shit too.
GTFO, Russian troll.
Okay, person who admit's to posting "stupid shit"
First, the source you provided isn't as clear-cut as you seem to think it is, unless you want the U.S. to engage in even more profiteering off of this proxy-war by increasing loans.
Secondly, I'm not opposed to spending less money to continue this war, so sending me articles claiming that the EU debatably spends more then the U.S. to perpetuate this war does nothing but make me feel okay about our decreasing involvement. -You guys seem to be making continued and exaggerated inferences about my position on this matter even though i've clearly stated my motivations for this position in other comments under this same thread.
GTFO, Warmonger.
Nazi Germany was also Europe's neighbour. I'm sure America would have fared well just completely ignoring it until all of Europe and Russia was under nazi control. Sometimes you need to involve yourself before a problem becomes too big.
I'm not sure what kind of a analogy you're trying to draw here since Russia was one of our Primary allies trying to stop Nazi Germany. Are you suggesting we form an alliance with Russia because people are suggesting I'm doing someones job for free right now and your out here trying to draw parallels to WWII as if we want to make friends with Russia.
-I have to say multiple accounts are making a hell of a lot of suggestions that i'm wrong and providing no source of information to back themselvss up.
The US fucking around geopolitically is what got us this mess. The US was eager to walk over Russian security interests, despite warnings this could escalate to a war. And now Trump has spoken the quiet part out loud, that for the US this war is mainly a business opportunity, no matter who wins it in the end.
The US dropping out of supporting Ukraine should be met with sanctions and a ban of any US investment into Ukraine for thr next 100 years. Also all US owned assets needs to be seized like the Russian ones.
Neither country should be allowed to make a single Penny from rebuilding in Ukraine.
i agree.
You are calling this a proxy war between North Korea and USA. North Korea is more in USA's area of interest than that of Europe's.
Correct. This is also a proxy war with North Korea. Iran, too from what I recall.