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[-] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 2 points 23 hours ago

Do they need to be public property or do they need to be in the hands of those working there? I’d be more inclined towards the latter as in most cases the public as a whole is not going to have an informed or educated perspective on how specific jobs/roles/companies should behave.

[-] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 1 points 23 hours ago

Those are so similar to each other in comparison with capitalism that at this stage, we mostly use the same words to describe both.

[-] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 19 hours ago

No, they are not. The USSR and China (only in theory) had/has public ownership and it is quite different than the workers comtrooling their business.

When the public owns the means of production you open up the likelihood of the state directly oppressing the workers as happened in the USSR and China.

[-] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 3 points 14 hours ago

Well, in theory is pretty different from in practice

[-] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 1 points 45 minutes ago

Yes and in practice public ownership isn't any different than private ownership you just have a different boot on your neck. In the case of public ownership stopping work means going against the state so there's even a greater incentive for oppression of the workers in some cases.

[-] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 1 points 37 minutes ago

Nah. State ownership is only public ownership in a robust democracy. Oligarchical states aren't public.

[-] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 minutes ago

And thus far no state pursuing Marxist principles as been anything other than totalitarian. There is no democracy among those that seek that path only claims of it as a goal.

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