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They were still worse off than western europe
To quote a random politician who was talking about the eastern Germany wall: "Capitalism might not be perfect but at least we don't have to build a wall to keep our citizens in"
Capitalist citizens tend to do better because their private organizations & government are willing to oppress the people in other parts of the world in order to extract their wealth. Communists respect the lives of poor people and refuse to take advantage of that, or oppress them further.
If a capitalist nation is completely cut off from the rest of the world they become fascist very quickly (Germany, middle east, etc. etc.), when a communist nation is cut off from the rest of the world they become poor (Cuba, USSR, East Germany, etc. etc.).
I don't think the argument of "I'm rich therefore I'm better than you" is really a strong one.
When all else is equal, life is better under communism for the vast majority of people, just not the wealthy people of capitalist nations. But even for the capitalist "middle class", when it comes to the essentials (Food, water, housing, healthcare, equality among women, minorities, etc.), communists still beat capitalists.
excelente point my dude
North Korea (communist) got cut off from the rest of the world and they became poor AND fascist (well not fascist, they became worse than fascist)
And I'm sure you're an independent reporter from a neutral country that doesn't benefit culturally from propaganda making communism look like fascism...
Funny that you bring up East Germany, since they had some of the best living standards in all of Europe in general. Universal healthcare, right to a job, free daycare AND over a year of maternity AND paternity leave?? Come on. The Berlin Wall was to stop tourism and trade as a tactic in the cold war, it's not like people were fleeing to West Germany (where many former Nazis were still in power) in droves. Dubious morally for sure, but not what you claim it to be. Maybe that random politician you're quoting benefitted from the corrupt system he was endorsing? In the words of Assata Shakur, don't let your enemies tell you who your enemies are,
They were though, when it was announced that the Berlin wall would shut down everybody was pretty much camping outside and the guards had to remind people that it would only happen at midnight through force
dont you know he always believes what hd is told by authority figures~~~~
a yes the mexican border wall the perfect example.
capitalist mexico and central america sure can keep people in their country ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ
? I'm talking about the Berlin wall
Not because of capitalism, because of corruption, etc. Anyway, they try to escape to other capitilist countries
When stuff goes poorly in a socialist regime it's always "this is proof of socialisms short comings and shows the inherent inhumanity of such an ideology!" but when it comes to capitalism it's always "individual people who are corrupted misused the system to do harm, and yeah it keeps happening but it's not an inherent trait of our system!"
It is a trait of our system, noone said capitalism is perfect, its just better than communism
dang really tripped you huh
sucks to lose an argument huh ๐๐๐
๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธliberty ๐ฝ intensifies
Just the fact that you made this comment shows me YOU lost the argument, imagine needing to point out you won the argument
I think that may have been JFK