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President Donald Trump suggested Tuesday that Ukraine was responsible for Russia's invasion of the country three years ago, arguing Kyiv could have made a deal to avoid the conflict.

“You should have never started it,” Trump said of Ukraine while criticizing President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who had expressed concern that his country was not included in talks between the U.S. and Russia in Saudi Arabia.

"I think I have the power to end this war, and I think it's going very well. But today I heard, 'Oh, well, we weren't invited.' Well, you've been there for three years," Trump told reporters at his Mar-a-Lago resort. "You should have never started it. You could have made a deal."

Trump went on to say: "I could have made a deal for Ukraine that would have given them almost all of the land, everything, almost all of the land, and no people would have been killed, and no city would have been demolished, and not one dome would have been knocked down. But they chose not to do it that way."

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[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 192 points 3 days ago

yOu CoUlD hAvE mAdE a DeAl

god damn this guy is a smoothbrain.

And america voted for him to run their country.

[-] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 97 points 3 days ago

You spelled ruin wrong.

[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago

They had no choice! The Dems should have put up a better candidate! Genocide! Gaza! Liberals! Woke! DEI! Anything but make me address the consequences of my action and/or inaction!

[-] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago

I didn't vote for that garbage

[-] NJSpradlin@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

I mean, looking at global politics… propaganda campaigns against democratic nations or alliances aren’t only occurring in the US and they’re working all over. You think Brexit wasn’t a psyops campaign funded by Russia? Or how about ultra-right wing conservatives popping up in elections across the world? These are planned attacks against democracy, they’ve just been hard at work sowing the seeds to destabilize the US for decades, and those seeds are finally paying off.

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 8 points 3 days ago

russia funds all of those groups, its not a coincidence they suddenly all appear around the time the us had thier elections.

[-] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

I didn't... i would NEVER vote for that prick. We were bad before, but now I don't blame anyone for hating the US

[-] P1nkman@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

I hate the US. That does not mean I hate all Americans, but jesus fuck, you guys fucked so many millions of people around the world voting for a literally human piece of shit. In not sure who's worse, Hitler or Trump, but it looks like Trump might finally win something: being worse than Hitler.

[-] EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Boris Johnson told Zelensky not to accept a peace agreement in 2022 when Russia was willing to let Zelensky sit at the table. Now the Ukrainians don’t even get to attend the peace talks, no doubt because the Russians know that it’s the British and the Americans who give Zelensky his orders. Blame whoever you want, the Ukrainians really did it to themselves.

[-] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 27 points 3 days ago

Yes, that URL doesn't seem a biased outlet

[-] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 14 points 3 days ago

You know, sometimes I try to read articles outside my echo chamber and at this point conservative == conspiracy in my mind. You’re just playing mental gymnastics the entire time.

[-] JusticeForPorygon 8 points 3 days ago

Wdym, europeanconservative has all the most unbiased takes!

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago
[-] EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Zelensky is clearly a weak leader as he can’t even control his former staff. The negotiator goes out, gives an interview saying Johnson gave Zelensky his marching orders, and all you can do is pretend I should be embarrassed? Zelensky was a fool to trust the British, a people known to have cheated and humiliated people across the entire world.

This idea that the NATO powers that gave Ukraine weapons have no influence is very silly. As we’re seeing right in front of our eyes, Trump expects to collect payment for those weapons by taking Ukrainian resources. Of course they wanted Ukraine to prolong the war, accept more weapons, and rack up more debt. Johnson showed up, told them to keep fighting and likely whatever else Zelensky wanted to hear and now we’re at this outcome. Zelensky is at home seething, egg on his face as Trump and Putin decide the fate of his country. Reality is right in front of you and yet you deny it. If Zelensky had any sort of political or military leverage he’d be at the peace talks too.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago

That's a very strange reaction to being shown that the link you provided was a lie.

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 9 points 3 days ago

he sounds like a shill for vlad to me, similar thing that tulsi said on asian right wingers youtube channel.

[-] EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

It wasn’t a lie. I believe what the negotiator said in his interview. He’s telling the truth and Zelensky is lying.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Zelensky says it isn't true, Johnson says it isn't true, but some other random guy says it and you believe it. That's pretty sad.

[-] EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

The head negotiator is not some random guy. Lmao 😂😂😂 This is such obvious cope.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Why is he telling the truth but everyone else is lying?

[-] EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

He’s telling the truth because he didn’t do anything wrong.

Zelensky is lying to avoid admitting his mistake.

The British are lying because they always lie. Boris Johnson isn’t exactly known as an honest man, but admitting they played the Ukrainians would be a pretty terrible mistake when the other European countries want the fighting to continue.

Trump is telling the truth because he didn’t have any say at the time and doesn’t mind saying the quiet part out loud and throwing Zelensky’s bad decisions in his face.

Putin is telling the truth because the Russians have had to put quite a bit of resources into fighting this war when it could’ve ended earlier.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Trump is telling the truth

Putin is telling the truth

This is all I needed to see to know that you are not a serious person.

[-] EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The alternative is:

Boris Johnson is telling the truth.

Ukraine’s top negotiator is lying for no reason.

Remember, the interview was in late 2023. It’s been over a year since the world found out. No point in lying unless you’re responsible for this mistake in some way.

[-] JusticeForPorygon 18 points 3 days ago

Idk how to tell you this, but appeasing foreign invaders has never worked in the past, especially in eastern Europe.

[-] EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Nonsense. It’s these sort of blanket statements that undermine a clear understanding of what each side wants. Putin wanted Ukraine to remain neutral and not join NATO, because the head of NATO, the United States was talking about unprovoked nuclear first strikes and all sorts of crazy things. Zelensky himself publicly floated the idea of Ukraine obtaining nukes. If your choice is between going to war and having a country on your border point nukes at you, then you might go to war.

In fact. The United States claimed Iraq (a country far away from itself) was trying to obtain nukes and invaded it in the 2000s, and that was while the leaders of Iraq were refuting the claim (and the Iraqis were telling the truth).

[-] matlag@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago

Right. And all the talks about reforming the USSR are probably just a diversion.

[-] EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

That’s what the United States and NATO countries claim Putin wants, and which he has refuted. That makes reforming the USSR about as believable as Iraqi nukes.

If you want to win me over and have me believe you, then my advice would be to go to Iraq and don’t come back until you find those nukes. My advice is that when you go, remember to avoid packing light, because you’re gonna be there a while.

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