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Except China operates and so far has executed multi year long plans that have been incredibly successful. On top of this they're the reason green energy is cheap at all, given they're the world's producer.
Your words:
That is hoping that in the future, something is done about climate change.
Building new coal-powered plants as the Earth continues to warm and we know for a fact what such plants do to contribute to that is not justifiable. It doesn't matter that they are "easy to convert" in the future. The coal is being burnt now.
And they're easier to set up securely than either renewable or the nuclear plants they'll likely later become.
Yes, it'd be great if they weren't sanctioned every other week and threatened with war and could dedicate all of their resources to leap frogging dirty tech... But that's not the world we live in, the world we live in has people that are rising in quality of life and expecting all the benefits. And they simply have more people than the US and Europe combined while only having the GDP of just the US.
It's not ideal, they've admitted as such, but it's a necessary step that all western nations took even when better options were on the table, it's unfair to criticize China when they're also producing more green energy than the rest of the world.
You keep just ignoring my point that "later" is irrelevant.
But good for them for admitting they're helping to destroy our environment so that the current generation has a better quality of life. That's very helpful.
It is more than literally every other country is doing, is my retort to that point. That and unlike western governments, they actually accomplish their goals.
Everyone could be doing more, China is doing the most. If the US especially didn't spend the last century and a half ignoring climate change while most of the world was still pre industrial agricultural societies, we wouldn't be in this mess.
That's just a lie. "Literally every other country" is not building more coal plants.
Plenty are getting rid of them.
https://interactive.carbonbrief.org/coal-phaseout-UK/index.html
And yet they're not replacing them with green energy. Seems like they're not doing much at all.
That is the second lie you've told.
https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/uk-renewable-power-set-to-overtake-fossil-fuels-for-first-time/
You're resorting to lying to make China look benevolent for building coal plants. It's not a very good look.
Not a lie, neither the US or EU can compare, https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-renewable-energy
So clearly they're not replacing the capacity with renewables. Or they're actively reducing their total energy capacity. That's also an explanation for those numbers.
But hey, anything to excuse the West deciding on lng for their power.
They are only "clearly" not doing that if you don't actually look at the link. Which you didn't.
Which you did not, because you feel you need to lie in order to make your argument.
Also, this is not excusing anyone. No one is doing enough about climate change. If you have some belief in a cosmic balance where one side of the globe has to be good and the other side of the globe has to be evil, I'm not particularly interested in religious discussions.