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submitted 5 days ago by Luffy879@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

Arch is aimed at people who know their shit so they can build their own distro based on how they imagine their distro to be. It is not a good distro for beginners and non power users, no matter how often you try to make your own repository, and how many GUI installers you make for it. There's a good reason why there is no GUI installer in arch (aside from being able to load it into ram). That being that to use Arch, you need to have a basic understanding of the terminal. It is in no way hard to boot arch and type in archinstall. However, if you don't even know how to do that, your experience in whatever distro, no matter how arch based it is or not, will only last until you have a dependency error or some utter and total Arch bullshit® happens on your system and you have to run to the forums because you don't understand how a wiki works.

You want a bleeding edge distro? Use goddamn Opensuse Tumbleweed for all I care, it is on par with arch, and it has none of the arch stuff.

You have this one package that is only available on arch repos? Use goddamn flatpak and stop crying about flatpak being bloated, you probably don't even know what bloat means if you can't set up arch. And no, it dosent run worse. Those 0,0001 seconds don't matter.

You really want arch so you can be cool? Read the goddamn 50 page install guide and set it up, then we'll talk about those arch forks.

(Also, most arch forks that don't use arch repos break the aur, so you don't even have the one thing you want from arch)

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[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 25 points 4 days ago

Arch is aimed at people who know their shit so they can build their own distro based on how they imagine their distro to be.

Is Arch only for people who know how to seek help? Maybe. But it absolutely is not a distro template. It's a distro.

[-] dx1@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

A package manager + some packages in the base system maybe, is basically a distro template. And maybe some kernel tweaks, or a built-in DE/WM. Or opinionated init system maybe.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 4 days ago

There are so many more aspects of Arch that you conveniently ignored. The filesystem hierarchy, the special compilation arguments options tweaks and configuration for e.g. dynamic linking, and how Arch has way more packages than just "some packages in the base system". And no, I don't mean the AUR. Arch is no less of a distro than any other distro. What is a distro if not a large swathe of packages meticulously tweaked to interop gloriously?

[-] dx1@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

"Conveniently?" I'm not making a case against Arch. I'm literally using an Arch derivative. Just not trying to sit here listing every single customization they ever made. Chill the fuck out.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 4 days ago

I just don't understand how someone can claim that Arch is a "distro template".

[-] dx1@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Cause there's like six other distros based on it. The point is that a package manager especially is a huge part of what differentiates the general experience of using a distro, and how a derivative distro works. And sure, lots of other details. Something like Manjaro, Artix etc. is basically cut from Arch as a template, often incorporating upstream changes or packages, with downstream changes based on differences of opinion.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 4 days ago

Ubuntu has over 100 forks. Is Ubuntu a distro template? Something being forkable merely means that it is libre software.

[-] dx1@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

I don't think this is a well-defined term, so not much point in arguing about its definition.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 3 days ago

Either way, it's clearly intended as its own thing, its own product, for end-user use, not just distro devs.

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