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Europe will be consulted – but ultimately excluded – from the planned peace talks between Russia, the US and Ukraine, Donald Trump’s special envoy for Ukraine has revealed.

Asked if Europe would be present at the planned talks, Keith Kellogg said he was from “the school of realism, and that is not going to happen”.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago

When the "peace talks" consist of Trump getting orders from his owner Putin, neither Ukraine nor Europe will be involved.

[-] ahornsirup@feddit.org 4 points 5 days ago

They also won't result in anything other than US disengagement. Ukraine won't surrender just because Trump says so. And neither will Poland and the Baltic states, and because of that the EU as a whole won't.

It won't even end the war. It'll just make America look weak.

[-] Paragone@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Trump used to be Putin's apprentice, now he has enough assumed-power that he can boss Putin around, even with whatever it is that Putin's got on him.

The relationship is reversing, if not already-reversed.

Trump's spoken admiration of Putin's openly murdering anyone who gets in his way is still not-yet-tested, in the US, but it is going to be, within 5y.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/trump-lawyer-says-assassinating-rivals-might-not-be-a-prosecutable-crime/

( there won't be any 2028 election, which would be to remove Trump, so US Civil War Part2 begins -/+ 1y of 2028, roughly.

as Catholics say: "dog in the manger-ism": if he can't possess the US of A, exclusively, then NOBODY can, & he'll make-certain that, like Assad, there's simply nothing-left of it, when he can't )

Voters had their chance, & they decided they weren't responsible, so, .. they won't have the right-to-vote in the future.

Trump did promise his followers that they wouldn't have to vote, anymore..

Trump's rising, Putin's becoming helpless, as Trump & China own/control more & more & more in-spite-of Putin's dwindling power, it seems..

China wants Russia to be just a decorative cloth glove on CCP's fist, or a vassal-state.

Modi, in India, bet the farm on Russia's protecting India from China..

both got played, & lost.

Exactly as Russia spending money on North Korean troops who haven't even got the competence to avoid being out in the open ( & therefore they keep just getting shot ) was another surprise for Russia..

I think it was China who put Putin up to the televised/advertised teleconference-between-China-&-Russia when Trump's inaugeration was going-on: that was a slap-in-the-face to Trump, putting Putin down.. which was to China's advantage..

Russia may be only a puppet-nation, now, for Trump & China, with a few more months of work..

( think of how it would be to China's advantage to have "Russia" butchering-up Eastern Europe, taking the blame, weakening NATO, etc, so that when the real push-comes-to-shove, all that has been settled in BRICS's favor, with Russia bearing the blame, NOT China.. disposable puppet-nations are useful, in the game of geopolitics )

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