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‘People need to be riled up’: meteorologist names US heatwaves after oil and gas giants
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Yelling at Amoco or BP makes no sense.
Those are oil companies. They operate within the bounds set out for them. If there is an externality present, some kind of positive or negative effect not captured in the market price of what they're selling -- say, that burning oil produces carbon dioxide -- it's not the job of the company to address that, but of market regulators. If a company did refrain from extraction, another company would just step in -- a competitive market specifically should not allow any one company to withhold a resource from the market; a company that did that would have monopoly power. As it stands, market regulators have a market says that companies should extract oil, so that's what they're doing.
If sale of oil doesn't incorporate the cost of carbon emissions, or if oil shouldn't be sold at all, that's an issue for the regulators.
A company getting yelled at is going to make some polite noises and brush complaining people off, not because they're not doing their job, but because restricting global oil consumption is not their job.
You want to complain at someone, complain at market regulators, because they're the ones that are responsible for taking into account said externalities, not the companies that operate in those markets.
You'd yell at a company if the company were breaking the laws that have been put in place for it, or something like that -- if BP were smuggling black-market oil or something, then that's an issue with BP. But as things stand, they're acting as the system intends.
These companies have lied, withheld info and done everything they can to shape public image and the legal ground they are standing on.
they are not as helpless and subject of others as you paint them to be. They act internationally. Appeal to a single nations law will not curb their actions effectively enough.
https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-53640382
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/oil-companies-doom-global-efforts-climate-change-house-committee-finds-rcna59443
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_denial&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiPzv2F16GAAxWjg_0HHZAXBnYQFnoECAkQAg&usg=AOvVaw3ltVNmPF1XywmPfNHa_zCy
https://corporateeurope.org/en/stop-revolving-door
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/09/oil-companies-discourage-climate-action-study-says/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwi8kODv16GAAxUGhv0HHZh_CYQQFnoECAkQAg&usg=AOvVaw0ZjMBTJ8QGtVaRSIAEfcFH
There have been so many targeted projects to weaken the publics understanding of climate change as a whole and activists personally. It's high time that these companies reinvest their record breaking profits into fixing the problem they have a large hand in creating.