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Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza
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So now you're trying to frame Oct 7th as a defensive action against an invading force? This shit is why you don't get support from people who aren't myopically pro-palestine.
It's the international consensus that Palestine is under military occupation from "Israel". Military action against occupation is an enshrined right under international law. The exception of course is attacks against civilians - which are not considered legal, hence the ICC arrest warrants being for both Netanyahu/Gallant, and Hamas leaders - but also which didn't solely characterize the actions on Oct. 7. That is the actual, nuance, objective description of Oct. 7. No analogy is perfect. The Jewish militants in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising were likely signficantly more targeted against Nazi soldiers and paramilitaries, but at the same time, they also hadn't been stuck in the Warsaw Ghetto for a staggering 56 years, under a choking blockade since 2006.
So you made a stupid statement, and when I call you out you shuffle the goalposts around. Yes, this is why you outside your circle you're just an angry buzzing noise.
I asked what they thought the outcome of Oct 7th was going to be, and you said 'but what if it was like the Warsaw Uprising? would you still say that?' And the answer is no, because the situations are not similar. You tried to rationalize Gaza as a ghetto being invaded by the SS and that's why they had to attack civilians and take civilian hostages on Oct 7th. I tried to explain that I reject you rationalization, but I see we're straying very far away from 'isreal bad' so I am not surprised you're losing track of the conversation
A big problem for me is that I'm experiencing 'respect whiplash', as I used to be very pro-palestine and very against the isreal settlements, then Oct 7 happen and I got to watch live as Palestinians fed grenades into a civilian bunker until everyone inside was dead. Do you have any idea how hard it is to come back from that?
The point of the original comparison was to draw attention to how you're equating the militant groups involved with Oct. 7 (Hamas, PIJ) with the ENTIRE Palestinian people, which includes not only people under Hamas rule, in the West Bank, and in the international Palestinian diaspora. Was that not clear? The genocidal demonization of an ETHNIC GROUP based on cherry-picked incidents was the problematic thinking I was drawing attention to. The analogy does also apply in general to militant uprisings by an oppressed people against their oppressors, with the caveats that I already mentioned.
I very literally not did say that, and made a point to say attacking civilians is illegal under international law. I REALLY dislike people inferring things from my comments that are not there.
Yes, this is not clear. The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising is an invalid comparison to Oct 7th, and your further attempts to compare the two fall flat and in fact manage to further vilify Hamas and Gaza who have been attempting to ignite this very war for the majority of my adult life by shooting an unending barrage of rockets and mortars at civilian targets while using their countrymen as willing human shields
It is in fact not invalid. Hamas's rockets have been untargeted with next to zero actual civilian casualties, the purpose is to financially exhaust the "Iron Dome" system. And it's completely dishonest to frame it as "starting" a war, when the Occupied Palestinian territories, including Gaza, are under "Israeli" occupation per the definitions under international law (don't give me that "they took out their settlements in 2005" crap either).
Your statement is a logical contradiction. The Iron Dome does not activate when the projected path of the rocket does not appear to target civilians, so the only way to activate Iron Dome is to target civilians. Untargeted would imply that they're just sending them in random directions which is obviously not the case. No surprise though since Gaza has been intentionally targeting civilians since 1950. One could say almost exclusively targeting civilians. They've been begging for exactly what they finally got, but they hoped for a repeat of the six day war with a happier ending. Imagine that each bomb dropped on Gaza today is a refund of a bomb that has been thrown at Israel over the last 20 years, the difference is that Israel has bigger bombs and Hamas has known this the whole time.
The internet loves videos of a little guy picking on a bigger stronger guy and then getting smashed into paste for his trouble. That's how this looks. Y'all were doing so well being sympathetic victims EVEN WITH the constant rocket barrage, then you took it too far and now it's the find out phase.
To bring this back to the subject of your vote for Trump; Israel exists in its current form as a projection of American influence, from its very inception this was intended to be the case. Its very existence relies on the fact that the usa can use Israel as a base of operations when it comes to keeping the flow of oil moving, and as long as that area has oil that we want this is going to continue regardless of anything else. Not voting for the people who have some shame and want it soft lands you with the people with no shame who wouldn't scrape a dead Gazian child off their shoe, and that's where we are right now.
It does, actually, it performs a triage when it can't handle a large number of simultaneous projectiles, and of COURSE it's designed to intercept missiles sent to military targets. What a bizarre claim. You are flat out making things up to support your argument, for god knows what reason.
I'm not Palestinian. I'm an impartial observer of what's happening, just one who cares more than most of you, enough to sort through disinformation...
Just flat out lying now. I'm done here.
Maybe I spoke a bit too fast, if the rocket from Gaza looks like it's not going to fall on anybody, the Iron Dome does not turn on. So to make the Iron Dome turn on, Gaza has to point the rockets at people. Does that make more sense to you? Your reply doesn't make sense in this context so I feel like you're confused.
It's a two party system, so if you didn't vote for the loser you effectively voted for the winner. You should be used to logical leaps enough to understand that; if you can vote, your vote matters even if you don't use it. Not using it is a choice, and choices have consequences.