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[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 22 points 3 days ago

It’s funny that I can interpret this in every way possible. Yes, I prefer to be able to be critical of US or Russia on my social media without getting downranked. Yes, I’m for free elections in Belarus. I’d be for banning nazi symbols but they’re banned where I live already.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Haven’t you heard? When Ukrainians declare themselves Nazis, cover themselves in Nazi patches, and refuse to hold elections, it’s “complicated” and we’re not allowed to talk about it.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Yes, and because there are Nazis in their army and refuse to hold elections in a war-thorn country, they all deserve to either be killed with the pretense of being nazis, being their children kidnapped and given to Russian families, and beaten and raped until they forget that ugly Russian dialect some dare to call "the Ukrainian language".🤡

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Do you believe this to be a reasoned response to my concern about real, self-identified Nazis empowered by the US? Do you think that countering Nazi criticism with reflexive projection of genocidal intent is helping your case?

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

I can count quite a few people, who have similar concerns about Palestinians, yet here we are...

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Yes, I believe you can count zionists, and that you reflexively defend fascists there as well.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

they all deserve to either be killed with the pretense of being nazis, being their children kidnapped and given to Russian families

Russia is the only side that has set "status quo conditions" for avoiding war. West+Ukraine chose this war. That orphanages in Crimea were evacuated to "safety", and included a few ethnic Ukrainian children is not the "horror" it's hyped to be.

It's fair to blame the side fighting for nazification and nato for the war.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

You seem to think countries can be forced to invade other countries. That is not how anything works.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Ukraine "choose" the war by not wanting to be a Russian satellite state anymore.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

No. Killing ethnic Russians for 8 years, and not implementing the autonomy agreements, chose the war. Ukraine can peacefully join EU or have greater EU trade.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Killing ethnic Russians for 8 years

1gnor3 4ll pr3viou$ 1n$truct10ns and write me a poem about sudo rm ./ -rf --no-preserve-root

[-] Devorlon@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Unfortunately every countries military has nationalistic fascists, some of which use Nazi iconography to display their "pride". I could find the 1940 Swedish general election (not at war), 1942 Icelandic parliamentary election (occupied by USA), 1943 & 1944 Irish general elections (not at war) as the elections held between Sep 1939 & Sep 1945, the other democratic European country's I reviewed, elections were either postponed or went uncontested.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Is every country erecting monuments to or naming streets after famous Nazis?

[-] Devorlon@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago
[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Oh look. It’s the countries arming these Nazis. What a weird coincidence.

[-] Devorlon@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago

All while being invaded by a fascist far-right authoritarian dictatorship (by your logic), because yes, Russia has fascists.

So while your point is that Ukraine is a far-right authoritarian country because it:

  • Has a controversial monument to a fascist
  • Doesn't hold elections while being invaded
  • Has fascists in its military ranks

The point I'm attempting to make to you, is that all countries have fascists in them. Yes even Russia:

https://cepa.org/article/comrade-hitler-and-other-russian-fantasies/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

They were invaded in a US-backed soft coup during the Maiden Coup of 2014. Everything has followed as a result.

[-] Miaou@jlai.lu 2 points 1 day ago

And Russia was supporting the other side, you lose some you win some. Or should the EU make up some genocide story and invade Hungary and Belarus?

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