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[-] princessnorah 19 points 1 month ago

I was really enjoying the video until he used the word "ricing". While the creator may not know, that word is fairly racist.

[-] Kiuyn@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A lot of people seem to argue about ricing and the "original" meaning of it. But honestly as an Asian I don't really think any Asian(at least in my country) actually care or even know the meaning of it. The ricing term of the Linux community is far from racism. What so wrong with rice? cuz we love it? I honestly don't get it.

[-] buwho@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 month ago

im asian, i like rice. i like linux. im not offended.

[-] princessnorah 15 points 1 month ago

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just sharing what was taught to me. I don't really have the spoons to sit here and debate or defend it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_burner

[-] Capsicones 11 points 1 month ago

It is clearly racist. "Ricing" comes from a derogatory term for Asian racing vehicles. You cannot excuse the racism inherent to it by personal ignorance. It's the same logic as black face being racist, whether you're personally aware of the history behind it or not.

Though I no longer live in the US, as an Asian computer scientist, I am quite aware of how it is clearly perceived as a racist term by many Asian Americans. To me, it will also never stop being offensive. So, please, stop with this "ricing" stuff.

[-] Kiuyn@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago

So it is an American thing then? I feel sorry for you to experience that. But I personally never see anyone even use it in a racism way. Probably because of my own ignorance like you said. The internet is open tho. It is not just for US culture/culture issue. So honestly for the rest of the world, I do not think it is an issue at all. Maybe we can try to resolve it in some way? Idk

[-] Capsicones 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The term "rice burner" originated in the Anglo-American context, and the word "ricing" cannot be divorced from the way people use "rice" as a versatile and generic racial epithet in varied context outside of the software world. As in people going, "haha, rice" something when being racist against Asians. It's a long and ignominious American tradition to demean racial minorities with food. As in insulting Mexicans with "bean". Anecdotally, some older Italians still remember being made to feel bad for eating pasta, when Italians weren't white yet. The term "ricing" will certainly remain racist due to the way anti-Asian racism continues to work. Hence my point that the term must be abandoned, if one wishes to not be racist. Just find a different word for it. it ain't that hard. It is certainly not possible to use an American word with racist origins without divorcing it from the cultural context from which it came.

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 month ago

have you seen anyone offended by it?

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 month ago

Precisely one person, here in this thread, on behalf of imagined others.

[-] vort3@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago

Could you please explain how is ricing racist?

[-] underscores@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago

It was a term for modded crappy japanese motorcycles and cars, that derived from a slur for asian people.

[-] TerraRoot@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago

I think the important bit people miss here is "was", language changes, it was an insult, now it just means adding shiny stuff to your desktop.

[-] underscores@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago

Plenty of people still know or use the other meanings, and it's still based on common stereotypes. Reclaiming slurs only really works when it's done by the targeted group, and when the word is being used with positive connotations.

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

I think the modern usage also has the nuance of fragility and temporality.

You wouldn't call a polished and extremely stable customisation a 'rice', you'd probably call it a theme

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm all for using "theme" as a replacement.

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

I just said 'theme' has different connotations?

[-] TerraRoot@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

How about "farkle" to take another term from the motoring world?

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

It isn't cool if it's offending people, though. And clearly it is.

[-] trevor 9 points 1 month ago

Mental Outlaw is a reich-wing freak, so that's par for the course. Unfortunately, there are a fair amount of these shitheads in the Linux YouTube space.

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

he definitely leans right but he still supports foss and all the important stuff around that so does it actually matter much as a Linux YouTuber?

also his level of schizo is pretty funny

[-] CarbonBasedNPU@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

We have seen where just not caring about someone being the right wing nut job has led. Are we really going to keep using that excuse?

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

dictators will dictate whatever their political alignment is

[-] TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

His level of schizo is kinda funny but his comment section is even funnier. People there are actually delusional. They for example think every software is a fed honeypot, even open source stuff. bruh just look at the source. They should definitely seek professional help.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Aw, that sucks that they're infesting Linux, too. I thought that free/open source would be too commie-socialist for them.

[-] shirro@aussie.zone 4 points 1 month ago

What is socialist to Linus is libertarian to Eric Raymond. In huge collaborative communities people need to learn to get along and be tolerant but if they can't handle that they also have the freedom to fork so there is room for everyone to find their own space.

[-] TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I'm reposting a reply to similar comment. Replying to "Mental Outlaw is far right and cryptobro". But the TLDR of that could be that he has some takes that people here like and some takes that people here don't like but he is not a National Socialist, otherwise give source. Perhaps Drew has been cooking again?

Those are just insults people, who cannot gasp that someone could have a slightly different opinion about something, use against him.

Some political things about him include: He ...

  • is an anarchist (or somewhere on that political spectrum)
  • wants to have the right to own a gun
  • is pro free speech
  • thinks using money should not have to earn mega corporations that much money
  • thinks "brother should not kill brother" in the war in Ukraine
  • is not a fan of Elon Musk, Teslas or self driving cars
  • is pro Free Software and for privacy

Obviously depends on what is meant with "far right nutjob". If it implies that anarchy (no government) is the opposite of socialism (far left - maximum government) then yeah but usually it just means "massive bigot", which I don't think he is, otherwise give source.

Similar with crypto bro. For me it means the pump and dump scheme scammer or at least someone who is pro crypto because he sees it as a mean to get rich quick. But if "Crypto bro" just means anyone who likes the advantages of crypto, then he indeed is one.

But regardless of how we name things, he doesn't have any evil values (as far as I know). He just has different opinions than the average lemmy user. It should not be hard to tolerate him, considering this platform is a mass murderer fanclub (actual evil values, not just "quirky" politics).

[-] trevor 2 points 1 month ago

this platform is a mass murderer fanclub

lmao. Elaborate.

[-] TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago
[-] trevor 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You are an absolute 🤡 to conflate communism, a liberatory ideology, with being "a mass murderer fan club". As an anarchist, I certainly wouldn't trust your usage of the term "anarchist". lmao.

[-] TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

I am not conflating communism with being "a mass murderer fan club". I am simply stating that that post was upvoted by mass murderer fans. The post made sarcastic statement about Stalin not being a brutal dictator, so there are your "mass murderer fans". I said nothing about communism.

In terms of Kenny being an anarchist. That's not "my definition". At some point he posted snakes in political context so it's really his definition, whatever he means with it.

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