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'This is ethnic cleansing': Trump faces backlash over Gaza proposal
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I only started using the term after the election, I wish I was paid. It's crazy how I'm expected to shut up about it for the next 4 years. Apparently, asking the dems to change their stance on genocide of everything is too much and everyone would rather stick their head in the sand. The moment someone enables it just a bit more then them, they get none of the blame and we get to wait through 4 years of shit just for them to give us literally the same stance.
Both parties enable it and are complicit. Defending either on the subject is clear bootlicking imo.
No one is defending either on the subject. We are simply stating that one is WORSE than the other by an order of magnitude. Honestly, how can you not see that?
It's not just that he's much worse it's that some people somehow expected him to be better?!?
Not only that, but if you took them at their word, that donvict and Kamala would have been the eXaCtSaMe on Gaza, then that issue is cancelled out and you have to weigh all the other policy positions, and even then, it is clear that donvict is a TERRIBLE choice compared to Kamala.
They have no excuse. None.
His comment implies anyone speaking disfavorably about the dems stance on genocide is somehow a paid shill.
Read the rest of the comments. It's always the same thing. The dems lost because the voters got manipulated into thinking genocide was something to draw a line over. Well it fucking was. I still think not voting and voting for Trump of all people is massively stupid but I hate the message we are sending.
Trump isn't worse, he's the same on it. We shouldn't be calling them anything other then Genocide Joe and Genocide Trump. Biden did a lot of good but his whole legacy is not breaking with genocide.
We have 4 years to exert pressure and make sure the next candidate isn't a mossad and wallstreet plant. Instead we are infighting like peasants and trying are hardest to not hold the politicians who are suppose to represent us accountable.
Now Trump has already undone most of that good, has 4 more years to cause damage, and the genocide that you "drew a line over" hasn't stopped. Nice job.
I voted strategically but I shouldnt have to do it while gritting my teeth. They offered nothing because they thought they had an easy win. If we keep pointing at scapegoats and refuse to lay the blame with the ones actually in charge, we get the same exact choice in 4 years and we will lose again.
Ya, drawing the line was dumb but so is blaming the ones that drew it instead of the driver that's sending a train straight into a group of children.
Remember, nothing was...
A woman's bodily autonomy. A Trans person's right to comfort in their body. The separation between church and state. A birthright citizens right to live in their country. An employee's right to a safe job.
And so much more... And it's only been 7 days. Fuck anyone who said the Dems brought nothing to the table. You ignored what they were fighting to keep a hold of in order to parrot some bullshit Russian disinfo false equivalency about a genocide being committed by a different fucking leader in a different fucking country.
Why are you ignoring all the funds and arms sent to this entire different country? Do you think all that military aid is Russian disinfo?
Any president put in power in the US was going to provide aid to Israel one way or another. As abhorrent as Israel's actions are, they are a US ally, and they did suffer major terrorist attack in October, and they are surrounded by other nations that would love to chop them up. Full stop, any aid sent to Israel should have been conditional, but it's foolish to think that they would not have continued without US support. The situation is not black and white and our best chance of changing Israel's actions were to elect Kamala, and put Democrats in Congress that are for conditional aid to Israel.
What was Russian disinfo was pushing the narrative that Kamala was a genocide supporter to Democrats, and not pushing the fact that if trump won, he was going to back Israel completely eradicating Palestinians from the Gaza strip.
Then they could have continued without US support. If anyone in the biden white house or anyone in his wing of the party had wanted to withdraw it.
Exactly! So why throw away your own damn country because of a genocide being done by a different leader in a different country that was going to continue no matter what?
You may have loved it, but I resent being manipulated into voting in such a way that made me complicit in every centrist's favorite activity.
She had the power to say "If elected, I will stop selling weapons for genocide in accordance with the Leahy Law." She chose not to exercise that power. Just like you've chosen to make excuses for moral cowardice in the face of genocide.
A whole year of being called a trumper for disliking genocide indicates that no, it does not.
Which candidate did you vote for who was anti-anything-even-tangentially-related-to-another-country-committing-a-genocide? The choice is a false dichotomy, and by falling for it, you've enabled the worst fascist in my lifetime to take power.
Nah. Trumpers see the genocide as a good thing. Jews are better than Muslims in their hate hierarchy. You might have been called a trumper because you spent a year pushing a false narrative that would ultimately end up getting trump elected though.
I didn't. I voted for Harris.
So do centrists.
Citation needed
Scroll through the modlog on c/world.
I would find the lesser evil argument more convincing if the people advocating it didn't always turn out to be genocide denying conspiracy theorists who will ignore reality to defend unspeakable acts
Seems like you're not actually capable of pragmatically choosing the lesser evil while still condeming it. Seems like you always end up defending evil.
I hope you're right about four years because that's a return to normalcy that I can barely imagine right now
Trump immediately authorized 2000 lb bombs for Israel. That wasn't a thing before. He's worse and you suck for enabling him.
Biden authorized sending 2000lb bombs.
Then it came out that such bombs were being sent and under pressure he paused the sending of those bombs.
Trump resumed it.
You're whitewashing Biden's part in the willful mass murder of civilians (the US Military itself refuses to use 2000lb bombs exactly because of their massive collateral damage and Israel was using them in an urban area thus maximizing the killing from said collateral damage) for political point scoring.
While you're claiming the other poster "sucks" for being critical of Biden's stance on this you might want to look at yourself in a mirror.
We're easy to dismiss that way. Then they don't have to think about how monstrous they have been to support genocide all this time.
Did you say you voted for Kamala?
She was the only viable option other than trump, as pro-genocide centrists were so fond of gloating. I voted for her. You gonna gloat that I voted for your genocide now?
Yep! You voted for genocide. Thanks for admitting that.
Gloat more. Trump is implementing the only thing you support.
That’s pretty hypocritical considering you support it too.
Would you prefer that I stayed home?
I suppose I’d prefer that you didn’t support genocide. But I guess you did what you felt you had to do to lessen the damage overall, even though knowing it wasn’t going to end probably broke your heart.
It’s just a shame that all the obnoxious trolls that seems to enjoy calling others “genocide supporters” can’t ever seem to understand that like you and I do….
Right?
Well, I suppose I did tell you to gloat more.
That would be the first time a centrist listened to anyone to their left.
Who’s gloating? I’m simply stating the fact that according to you- voting democrat is supporting genocide. And since you voted democrat…
Now where did I say that? I thought that someone could vote for a candidate even if they don't agree with 100% of everything they say. Or was that just something centrists say when they get everything they want out of a candidate and they want people to their left to shut up?
If you want to call me a hypocrite for voting for someone who supports your genocide, fine. I'll admit there's a case to be made. I hate myself for voting for your shit candidate, and you just love twisting the knife. You got your genocide.
Your support for genocide is consistent with your vote.
Let’s start with here:
then this:
and this was you talking about democrats:
and this gem:
(I especially love the part where you hypocritically admit that as set by your own terms- you support genocide)
Oh! This one made me laugh a little:
as did this:
and lastly, this:
I know your first instinct is going to be to move the goalposts around to redefine the intended points of these comments, but at the end of the day- it’s still just you ignorantly accusing people you don’t know of something that your accusations prove you don’t understand.
Oh, I see. Every time someone says "genocide," you read it as "Biden/Harris."
The paid shills were running a con. If you weren't on payroll, then you're the mark.
Seeing how most of the conmen have cut and run now that the job is done, it really only leaves one option for you.
I see a lot of people actively defending Biden in this very thread
There are a disturbing number of people in this thread who feel that condemning Democrats is more important than worrying about what is about to happen to Palestinians.
As if you folks were using genocide as a tool. And it's pretty hard to read.
When you dismiss people condemning the democrats, you essentially send the message that enabling genocide is okay.
I see attacking the voters as a zionist dog whistle, to desensitize on the subject and low key make genocide something that can be overlooked for the "right" reasons.
Insulting to be said I'm using it as a tool. Every thread about it, there's multiple comments talking about the voters and using them as a scapegoat. I'm just responding to them. If I'm using it as a tool, so are you. And you are a lot more vocal about it then me.
I am dismissing people continuing to talk about the election when it's over as if it matters when people are fucking dying.
But you don't care because American politics.
Seems like you're dismissing only the people responding to the behavior negatively and not the ones actually doing the behavior. I find it convenient that you are constantly silent on the genocide in general. I only see you commenting when it comes to pointing the finger at scapegoats. It's easy to notice with the amount you post (not an insult, just an observation, I don't mind high engagement).
It doesn't seem like you are arguing in good faith, since you accuse me of something I'm clearly trying to curtail.
Yes it's annoying when every thread about the genocide has people screaming at the top of their lungs trying to blame voters.
I have more to say on the subject but I was too harsh and got my comment removed so I will leave it at that.
No, I'm dismissing anyone who doesn't give enough of a shit about Palestinians to bother talking to them.
How often have you done it?