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[-] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

I just don’t think it’s better to go through fascism

Accept the liberal carrot and you won't get the fascist stick. If the carrot is rotton to the core, just pretend it isn't. Easy, no?

[-] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I honestly don't know how to engage with what you've just said.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 hours ago

Are you not satisfied with the completely predictable spoils of liberalism? The rich gets richer, the poor gets poorer - and the only thing liberals will tell you to do about it is to vote for them in the next election ad nauseum.

The capitalist order only allows you to engage in two seemingly contradictory but, in reality, complementary, ideologies - liberalism and fascism. That is how it protects itself from you.

Inside this paradigm, no actual fundamental change is possible - it is only the measures that the status quo takes to protect itself from threats (ie, you) that really changes. Sometimes, when you're lucky, this measure might take the form of Keynesian economics - such as the New Deal, for instance. Sometimes, it's a brutal fascist regime. It all depends on what is most convenient to the status quo under given conditions.

You can tell which you are getting by seeing how good the carrot is.

[-] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

Thank you for clarifying what you meant. I agree with all of it, especially that we are inside this paradigm.

Yet my question still feels unanswered. The carrot, if I'm understanding correctly, is liberal democracy. We (from the perspective of the capital class) are the pigs threatening to eat the carrot.

Using your analogy, how would we achieve a less exploitative relationship with the capital class?

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