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Anybody who gives the slightest fuck about finding an alternative is already aware of kbin/Lemmy. By trying to “advertise”, you’re only opening up the platform to brigading. Anybody who actually cares has already made the switch.
Oh, and on top of that, you’re giving Reddit additional traffic, which is exactly what they want right now. Just leave it alone!!
you exist in a filter for people who know about kbin/lemmy. I only ever heard about them because of hackernews, which is a strong filter.
So you had at least enough desire to read anti-Reddit news which lead you to the alternative? That just proves my point…
I had no idea lemmy existed until r/DnDmemes posted about it, and now I'm here. So for at least some of us advertising would help
It’s diminishing returns. Reddit benefits more from the traffic in this scenario than the Fediverse ever could in terms of user gain from this kind of advertisement.
There are definitely diminishing returns to increasing the discoverability of something (if we hate the word "advertise") once enough people know about it. What are your reasons for thinking we are now at this point of diminishing returns and not still in the expansion phase?
Like, if it were actually the case that everybody who had an interest in being on Lemmy or kbin knew about Lemmy and kbin and understood exactly how much it was in their interest to be there... The only conclusion I can come to is that Lemmy and kbin kind of suck, given the activity in the subs I'm interested in. Or are inherently niche products that intrinsically interest few people compared to a platform like Reddit. I can definitely see an argument that this is true of Mastodon given the graveyard of "here is my new home away from Twitter" accounts that haven't posted since 2022 (I don't think Mastodon sucks but I can definitely buy that it has features that made it an unsatisfactory replacement for Twitter for most people in 2022), but whether that argument is correct or not I don't think you can make the same one for kbin or Lemmy at this point in time.
How though? An investor would look at place. See how that traffic isn't normal and see the protest on it then put 2 and 2 together and realize it's reddit trying to look good. It's not a secret
That's just empirically not true and it's not how people and internet communities work. But I guess a more important question is, are you saying this because you believe it to be true or because you are happy with the size Kbin and Lemmy currently are and would prefer not to have a mass migration from Reddit that would change the vibes ? Because that's absolutely a valid concern. If that's not where you're coming from and you really do just think that sentence is true, at what point in time would you say we reached the point where everyone who needs to be aware of kbin/Lemmy became aware of kbin/Lemmy?
You WISH kbin or Lemmy were big and well-known enough to be worth brigading. Or maybe you don't, which would be valid as I said above and is a different conversation. And it's possible that by "brigading" you mean "an influx of newbies who ruin the vibe", in which case I agree that this is a possible effect of what I suggest. In fact it's the desired effect. However if this does in fact result in a mass of people going onto the platform with the intention of ruining conversations who would not have gone on it instead, that would suck but I'm not sure it couldn't also be leveraged as a streisand effect. Kind of like how for a nobody like Rocky Balboa just being in the ring with Apollo Creed was a win.
Yes, giving Reddit additional traffic sucks and is what they want. If there were a way of participating in r/places without doing so I'd recommend that as a no-brainer. However it doesn't just give Reddit additional traffic and "what Reddit wants" isn't necessarily what's actually best for Reddit. I made an argument for why I think it would also cause a certain amount of migration from Reddit and we can get more into it once I better understand whether that's something you want to avoid or not. The question then becomes what the net effect will be, and I don't think that's easy for anyone to know, including Reddit. But numbers-wise, given the number of people in these threads compared to the audience of r/places and the percentage of that audience who would be nudged towards checking out/contributing more to kbin or lemmy from seeing them on r/places, I really feel the net effect is more likely to be on our side.