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[-] Edie@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago

Remember Stalin and his style of socialism?

No. Cuz I wasn't alive at that time.

But yea, I did read about it in This Soviet World, Soviet Democracy, Russian Justice, and Blackshirts and Reds

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)
[-] Edie@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

"neutral" as if.

Edit: also oh no! Not the Stalinist... prohibition on using handcuffs?

Chapter X, Russian Justice

But the idea was there in the minds of those who were to define the penal policy and the Code of 1922, and set down the principle that punishment was not for the purpose of revenge and might not have for its purpose the infliction of physical pain. With this beginning there was a steady progress toward the removing of those indignities that tend to degrade a man, until the Correctional Labor Code of 1933 completed the process. In the meantime various amendments have prohibited torture, the use of handcuffs, solitary confinement, deprivation of food, or any other measure that would have the effect of degradation or do physical harm to the person.

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

lol what a cherry picked example, ignoring ranks of his people getting picked up by state agents to be put to death. How disingenuous

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

Which ranks of his people were put to death?

Declassified CIA report:

Even in Stalin's time there was collective leadership. The Western idea of a dictator within the Communist setup is exaggerated. Misunderstandings on that subject are caused by lack of comprehension of the real nature and organization of the Communist power structure. Stalin, although holding wide powers, was merely the captain of a team and it seems obvious that Khrushchev will be the new captain.

A lot of the cold war propaganda about Stalin turned out to be bullshit, as contemporary Western academic historians will tell you.

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Please stop trying to fool people with your revisionist and rose colored glasses historical fiction. Cherry picking some out of context quote is just disingenuous, and doesn’t make sense for me to continue discussing this then.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Nazis and Kulaks weren’t “ranks” of “Stalin’s people,” they were fascists and leeches on the masses of the peasantry, respectively. And Wikipedia gets its “excess” mortality numbers from garbage sources the like fascist propaganda The Black Book of Communism.

You can’t help but refer to Wikipedia, can you, when this whole thread was about Wikipedia’s questionable reliability on topics that relate to Western imperialist talking points?

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah, “Nazis” and “Kulaks”

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago
[-] nifty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Okay thanks for your super unbiased sources, I’ll read them all the same because it’s nice to know the kind of lies other people like to believe

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

It must be so easy being a reactionary ultra-nationalist like you: you Just assume anything that confirms your pre-existing beliefs is true and anything that challenges them are "bias lies".

It's a perfectly closed circle of reasoning.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

I’ll read them all the same because it’s nice to know the kind of lies other people like to believe

If this isn’t a tell that OP herself is extremely biased against anything that goes against hegemonic imperial core ideology, I don’t know what is.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah you’re not going to read them. And everyone knows there is no such thing as unbiased sources, so \/\/.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

Nah, I'm sure The Black Book of Communism has no bias...

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

Now do excess mortality in Tsarist Russia and excess mortality in Russia after the collapse of the USSR.

Also, fucking hilarious to look at excess mortality in a period where world war 2 happened, lol.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

Jesus, how fucking illiterate are westerners that they think fucking Wikipedia is a neutral source.

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