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Your cops are bad too
I can't remember the last time I heard of some european police shooting someones spaniel or flashbanging a toddler tbh, not saying they're flawless, just on a different level.
I imagine every cop being armed to the teeth is probably worse lol.
Blatant violence committed by police is not the only reason cops are bad. They are also the enforcers against journalists, worker action, environmental and climate activism, and so on. Even when those folks are behaving entirely lawfully, cops or prosecutors or other government officials just make up bullshit charges to arrest and intimidate folks.
Richard Medhurst is a notable recent example in the UK.
Well, you're describing violence inherent to the system. When people talk about cops being bad, they usually mean that cops don't just uphold the bad law, that's kind of given, but commit extrajudicial violence
All cops are
I don't understand the argument behind ACAB. How can anyone think that. I never have understood this.
I'll bite. Do you want an actual answer, or do you just want the opportunity to publicly clutch your pearls?
I think I want an answer from someone with less attitude. I'm not here to argue, but to have calm discussions. Next, please. ๐
Just give your answer anyways, you don't need their permission. I believe that ACAB myself but I'm always eager to read why others agree with me
Very true. I wish they would've done that instead of immediately low-key insulting me.
Okay, I'll listen to your reasoning if you're willing to share. ๐
I believe that all cops are bad.
It doesn't mean I think every cop is personally bad in their private life. It means that it doesn't matter how good or bad a cop is as a private individual. As soon as they put on that uniform they become the enforcers of unjust laws, and the enforcers of persecution against minorities, journalists, workers taking collective action, environmental and climate activists, human rights activists...the list goes on.
All cops are bad because the very nature of being a cop overrides any personal merit the cop may otherwise have.
This video by Thought Slime explains quite well what is usually meant by ACAB, and explains what the alternatives are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk5xnEL8mYg
Very interesting, thank you for this input. This is the kind of insight I was looking for. I guess I was focused on this part:
But as you say, merely participating in the system makes them bad. Not individually, but as a concept.
In that case, I think it's important not to blame the cops, but the system. Because we all know there are many of them who are not trying to uphold the unjust laws, but the just laws. Sometimes in life you have to take the good with the bad, and surely that is what many officers are doing.
All those individuals are trying to do is make a positive impact on their community, and protect its members.
So in this type of reasoning, I think we're putting the focus on the wrong thing, the cops. Whereas we should be putting the focus on regulators, law makers, etc.
My encounters with the police have been civil and positive. However, I'm not Roma so...