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Remember kids - if tankies fail, it was because of the CIA and 'wreckers', if other leftists fail, it's because They Were Destined To (lemmy.world)

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Regardless of its merits, there’s no denying that war communism won the Bolsheviks the civil war.

In the sense that they had lost support of the people, that the economy had fallen apart, and only by plundering the peasantry with 'war communism' could they keep their effort going? Uh, sure.

Not really. The USSR just moved toward a state capitalist model, and Stalin managed a social democracy attempting to build just that, industry up to the standards of a capitalist mode of production.

"Stalin managed a social democracy"

Jesus fucking Christ.

“Democracy is not democratic”. The USSR had elections, representatives, an elected parliament, decisions were made by majoritarianism, it was pretty clearly democratic.

Oh, okay, so Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy were democracies too, right? They had elections, representatives, an elected parliament...

Oh, wait, is the DPRK a democracy too?

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Also uh, they were in a civil war. Do you know of a country that managed a good economy during a crisis level civil war?

Yes. The US. Mexico. Turkiye. Anarchist Catalonia.

The Bolsheveiks also won the civil war, which directly speaks to the success of war communism.

"We managed to squeeze the country so hard that an unprecedented number of literal millions died in famine, but at least we beat the aristocrats who were so incompetent that they couldn't drag their heads out of their asses for the full ten minutes needed to form a government"

Good job.

In some essence, sure, but definitely less than the USSR to the point it wouldn’t make much sense to call them democratic. I would argue that Nazi Germany was significantly less democratic than the USSR, as Nazi Germany did not have a functioning democratic system unlike the USSR, and the Reichstag really only convened to listen to Hitlers speeches. The Soviet Parliament convened somewhat frequently and did pass laws, regardless of its flaws or inadequacies.

Oh, yes, the Supreme Soviet unanimously ratifying everything placed in front of their noses was DEFINITELY a functioning democratic system. Literally what 'democratic centralism' meant. You DO realize this is an ANTI-tankie comm, right?

Yes the DPRK is a democracy, but it has a lot of problems (a lot the fault of the West)

Check, please!

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