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Killed women count: 80 women allegedly killed by men in UK in 2024
(www.theguardian.com)
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How many men were killed in the same period?
Oh hush, thats a whattaboutism and you know it.
It shouldn't discredit the women's deaths, but we do live in a climate where men are seen exclusively as current and temporarily embarrassed perpetrators, and less so as fellow victims.
All due respect, but where is your evidence because the way I see it is this (male here btw):
The data in the UK probably doesn't exist because the instances are that much more rare. I'm open to being wrong, but until numbers are brought to the table, we're talking data vs. speculation. What we do know is that Men account for 85-95% of convicted homicides, globally, making an outsized number relative to the portion that they are victims (somewhere around 75%). Of this subset, the most rare scenario is a male victim and female perpetrator.
There are of course instances of women murdering men and those should not be downplayed; but let's neither invoke a false equivalence fallacy.
No one said they were oppressed. They said men can also be victims.
Of course. It's just a curious comment section that shifts to a falsely equivalent whataboutism fallacy when the subject-matter at hand given the submission is a very present and documented danger. I of course would not be opposed to anyone submitting data that they or someone else gathers for male victims of female perpetrators, too.
According to data I shouldn't be getting into any relationship with a woman because they're the leading perpetrators of psychological violence. I could be driven into depression, into suicide, even to be physically violent.
Can we please the fuck stop weaponising the behaviour of assclowns. On either side.
You realise a campaign like the guardians only starts because someone literally says "but what about the women?"
Sadly men don’t matter
How many men were killed by women in the same time period?
Hard to tell exactly but I find this that says there were 583 homicides.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/283093/homicides-in-england-and-wales/
So why the fuck isn't the story that seven times as many men get killed?
As a man I'm deeply troubled that it's not safe for me to go out anymore. More protections for the male gender, thanks!
Because that isn't the case? The article doesn't state 80 women were killed in total, but that 80 women were killed allegedly by men. So the total amount of killed women is higher than 80
I would be curious to know the cross-gender numbers. How many men killed women and vice versa? I would imagine there's a pretty big imbalance there* but would want to see the numbers instead of my own feelings. That very well could tell a story.
* to be clear, I'm a man and not the kind who thinks that all men are predators or whatever. What I said above was based on the fact that here in the US, the overwhelming majority of school shootings are committed by men and there are easy to find numbers to back it up. But that doesn't necessarily apply to overall killings by adults in another country.
That doesn’t solve anything. This is not a competition. If we’re discussing this issue in good faith then we should be trying to dig deeper into the root causes rather than just tallying up the scores.
I think it’s pretty firmly established scientifically that men are a lot more violent and dangerous than women. We tend to have a lot larger muscle mass and higher bone density as well as higher propensity for violent aggression.
However I think it’s also pretty firmly established that, although by far most of the violent crimes are committed by men, by far most men never commit a violent crime of any sort. So what we’re actually dealing with is a small percentage of all men who commit nearly all violent crimes.
So then what are we to do about it? We need to find ways to detect these men (men with a high propensity for violent aggression) and intervene to help steer them away from aggression, to better manage their anger, or to otherwise find ways to mitigate their risk of offending.
Fair points, but my comment was in light of all the "but more men are getting killed!" comments. The victim's gender without context isn't a very interesting data point to me, but it could very well be if you combine it with something else like the gender of the killer.
It’s not really any more interesting. We’re never going to see an epidemic of women killing each other. There’s no all-female gangs out there that I know of. The most common female-on-female violence is high school bullying.