Turns out, the 4 Thieves almost exclusively discussed harm reduction through testing today at 38C3! Twas quite hormone-centric in nature as well, which is based. I did not know that T is so cottage-cheesey, or E is super flat-clumpy, but meow I do lol...

I think the shock-value presentation, and some of their past mistakes gave me a lot worse impression than they deserve, tbh. It seems like they have the right idea, and also promote finding conclusions thru legitimate past research, rather than "trust me bro" shit.